Who's our #3 prospect?
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DaveG
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things will start to get interesting next round IMO
Di Giuseppe, Dalpe, Biega, Lowe... I could see any of them making a run at it.
Di Giuseppe, Dalpe, Biega, Lowe... I could see any of them making a run at it.
QuitStaaling
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DaveG
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yep, forgot about McGinn. We might not have a ton of "A" prospects but we have some very nice "B" grade prospects right now comprised of that group and more.
Joe McGrath
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I voted for Rask, but I honestly don't think he's going to amount to much. Probably because everyone on here seems to think he's the ****. Like Boychuk, and Dalpe.
cptjeff
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Nobody was really standing out to me (I'm not as high on Rask as many here), so I threw a vote to Jared Staal for a laugh.
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lets go canes
Nash?
It'll be interesting to see how people will rate players like Dalpe, Nash, Welsh, and to some extent Boychuk. I guess this boils down to the NHL-readiness vs. highest potential argument; makes it difficult to compare some "prospects."
Anton Babchuk
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hes a top9 signing away from another yr in the ahl. it wouldnt shock me if he wound up there anyway. theres nothing other than typical canes fan prospect overhyping that sets him apart from palushaj.
bleedgreen
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To me digiuseppe isn't in the same group as rask and dalpe. To me those two are right here, have trouble deciding between the two. Dalpe could be a 20 goal scorer in the right spot.
Ok what is the deal with Rask? He has basically done nothing..... I am shocked nobody has mentioned Terry. What is going on here people?!! RASK...Why?
bleedgreen
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because he's a strong, legit prospect. he has the size and skill to play, over guys like terry, digiuseppe (who's at least a year away) etc.
its not tough to see. only lindholm and murphy have a higher skill level - and thats only presumed on lindholm's part. he was looking good when he got sent back to junior and has been a pretty dominant player when there. he was good on the wjc team.
its not tough to see. only lindholm and murphy have a higher skill level - and thats only presumed on lindholm's part. he was looking good when he got sent back to junior and has been a pretty dominant player when there. he was good on the wjc team.
Novacane
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The problem with Terry is he's a slow 24 year old hobbit. At least Rask has some size to him to justify his lack of speed and also the fact he's a 20 year old. Rask has more time to round out his game while Terry needs to start pushing now in order to form any NHL career.
Di Giuseppe is officially listed at 6'1'' 200 lb by Michigan's athletic site. He looks bigger than Rask to me, at least weight wise for sure. He also plays more of a power forward type game than Rask. No way he should be grouped with a guy like Terry.
Not sure why people are so in love with Rask while almost completely glossing over Di Giuseppe.
tarheelhockey
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I've been high on Rask since his first development camp two summers ago. Of that group of forwards, he was the one who really had the size and skill to make me think, "this guy could grow into a good NHL'er some day". That was before he came to North America, so seeing him over the past two years developing from a successful junior player into a solid AHL'er has been encouraging, and at least for me this is the window where it's ok to hope that he can make a leap to the next level. He still has some mobility issues that might never be resolved, but so far it seems like he's growing into his potential.
Contrast that with Di Giuseppe, who started off as a footnote to the Staal trade. I can't say I've seen him play a college game, so my only exposure to the kid has been through development camp -- and he just missed this one. So my only personal feel for the guy is seeing him for a couple of days last summer. Beyond that I'm just taking people's word for how good he could be.
So at least for me personally, that's why I get more excited about Rask than Di Giuseppe. I think the hype may be getting a bit out of control here, but Rask has so far ticked all the boxes you would want to see from a "project" prospect.
cptjeff
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Don't know if you noticed, but speed is kind of important in the NHL these days, it's hard to make big and slow work very well.
Vagrant
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The questions about Rask will not be answered before the NHL level. He was on the map as a Top 5 or Top 10 pick prior to his draft season as scouts saw the pure skill he had in addition to his size and knew he could be something special. What they noticed as the season went along and his ranking plummeted, was that he wasn't making any strides in the skating department and that his physical growth had come at the expense of his already average skating.
Players like Rask make strong AHL players. There is no question in my mind he will have an impressive statistical season in the AHL this year.... because skating isn't as crucial as skill down there. People dogging Chris Terry and praising Rask probably need to realize that both players have some pretty fatal flaws to their NHL chances. Rask admittedly has more time to work on his deficiencies but our world class prospect list is two deep. Murphy and Lindholm.
With that said, he's the no brainer pick here. I feel like there is our first tier of two, then Rask by himself, and then a great deal of question marks that will boil down to personal preference.
The beef with Rask has been poor skating and inconsistency. I think he has done well to shed the inconsistency issues as well as the personality concerns that were floating around at draft time, and his movement to North America really benefited him there. What remains to be seen is if he can turn his physical game up a notch because he's a strong kid and he needs to use that beef to complete his game. His charge on the game is similar stylistically to what Bowman brings right now and we see how that has worked for Bowman. Players have to adapt with development.
With that said, my first on the next tier after Rask is not Di Giuseppe. It's Brock McGinn. Don't let the size disparity fool you here. We've got a good one coming up with McGinn. Hopefully the offense starts to come.
Players like Rask make strong AHL players. There is no question in my mind he will have an impressive statistical season in the AHL this year.... because skating isn't as crucial as skill down there. People dogging Chris Terry and praising Rask probably need to realize that both players have some pretty fatal flaws to their NHL chances. Rask admittedly has more time to work on his deficiencies but our world class prospect list is two deep. Murphy and Lindholm.
With that said, he's the no brainer pick here. I feel like there is our first tier of two, then Rask by himself, and then a great deal of question marks that will boil down to personal preference.
The beef with Rask has been poor skating and inconsistency. I think he has done well to shed the inconsistency issues as well as the personality concerns that were floating around at draft time, and his movement to North America really benefited him there. What remains to be seen is if he can turn his physical game up a notch because he's a strong kid and he needs to use that beef to complete his game. His charge on the game is similar stylistically to what Bowman brings right now and we see how that has worked for Bowman. Players have to adapt with development.
With that said, my first on the next tier after Rask is not Di Giuseppe. It's Brock McGinn. Don't let the size disparity fool you here. We've got a good one coming up with McGinn. Hopefully the offense starts to come.
Novacane
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Uhh, yeah. I just argued with SC on this very issue and how his lack of speed meant Rask wouldn't be in the NHL next year.
bleedgreen
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"Puck don't lie"
I've seen Chris Terry in his 2 game NHL audition and seen him in a couple of AHL games on TV. The Chris Terry of 3 years ago who was an average skater at best is not the same Chris Terry who played last year for the Canes those 2 games. His skating is significantly better than it had been. Yes, he looks a bit awkward, but he is no longer a slow skater.
My understanding of the rap against Rask is that his stride is awkward and that impacts his ability to get up to speed quickly. He has been considered quick, but not fast....and like Terry, awkward (so some think he could be easily knocked off of the puck at the NHL level as well as out maneuvered as a defender).
Those who said that Rask has time to improve his skating are correct. I believe that year over year he is the most improved skater in this last camp. But the hockey sense, hands, and vision is something this kid comes by naturally. That is much more difficult to teach. That is why Victor Rask is one of our more elite prospects.
Currently I feel we have a much better stable of prospects than the pessimists here are giving credit for. There are three pretty distinct groupings IMHO:
Lindholm
Murphy
Rask
Dalpe
McGinn
Danny Biega
Brett Sutter
Keegan Lowe
Chris Terry
Phil Di Giuseppe
Erik Karlsson
Austin Levi
Brett Bellemore
Guys like Jordan, Shugg, Jared Staal, Blanchard, etc. are slightly below the 3rd tier.
That first tier is elite or nearly so. The second tier are guys that should definitely have a future in the NHL. The 3rd tier are guys that still have some work to do, but also may have an NHL future. Sure there's a lot of argument to say that Blanchard is ready for 4th line duty now or that Erik Karlsson will never be big enough for the NHL.
What I worry about when I look at this list is that we do not have many elite forwards (and that's assuming that we hit the jackpot w/Lindholm). Five years from now when Eric Staal is own the downward half of his career and Skinner's at his peak, who is going to replace the Ruutu's, Semin's, etc. on our team? I'm hoping that we continue to have better luck in the draft. We'll need it even if I don't believe our prospect cupboard is as bare as some.
My understanding of the rap against Rask is that his stride is awkward and that impacts his ability to get up to speed quickly. He has been considered quick, but not fast....and like Terry, awkward (so some think he could be easily knocked off of the puck at the NHL level as well as out maneuvered as a defender).
Those who said that Rask has time to improve his skating are correct. I believe that year over year he is the most improved skater in this last camp. But the hockey sense, hands, and vision is something this kid comes by naturally. That is much more difficult to teach. That is why Victor Rask is one of our more elite prospects.
Currently I feel we have a much better stable of prospects than the pessimists here are giving credit for. There are three pretty distinct groupings IMHO:
Lindholm
Murphy
Rask
Dalpe
McGinn
Danny Biega
Brett Sutter
Keegan Lowe
Chris Terry
Phil Di Giuseppe
Erik Karlsson
Austin Levi
Brett Bellemore
Guys like Jordan, Shugg, Jared Staal, Blanchard, etc. are slightly below the 3rd tier.
That first tier is elite or nearly so. The second tier are guys that should definitely have a future in the NHL. The 3rd tier are guys that still have some work to do, but also may have an NHL future. Sure there's a lot of argument to say that Blanchard is ready for 4th line duty now or that Erik Karlsson will never be big enough for the NHL.
What I worry about when I look at this list is that we do not have many elite forwards (and that's assuming that we hit the jackpot w/Lindholm). Five years from now when Eric Staal is own the downward half of his career and Skinner's at his peak, who is going to replace the Ruutu's, Semin's, etc. on our team? I'm hoping that we continue to have better luck in the draft. We'll need it even if I don't believe our prospect cupboard is as bare as some.
