Commander Clueless
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There are many proven 1st. liners who are not a Kessel like player.
But certainly, Kessel is worth a top 10 pick, however I doubt he's worth a top 10 pick to every team that has one. He's a 100 foot player, just very good in those 100 feet. You don't win with 100 foot players, unless you have a great supporting cast rendering that player as a complimentary / support player.
There are many proven 1st. liners who are not a Kessel like player.
But certainly, Kessel is worth a top 10 pick, however I doubt he's worth a top 10 pick to every team that has one. He's a 100 foot player, just very good in those 100 feet. You don't win with 100 foot players, unless you have a great supporting cast rendering that player as a complimentary / support player.
We'll have to wait and see if you have the power of prophecy .I had a dream last night that we drafted Strome and Werenski. Depressed when I woke up
I haven't seem much of Werenski, maybe 2-3 games max, but I'll take it!
Now let's go Leafs, make that a reality.
Personally hope we don't take Hanifin. Or that Zona takes him.
I feel his offensive ceiling to be in question and I don't trust the NCAA as a means of determining skill level. And one too many mentions of Provorov or Werenski potentially being better one day. If you look through past drafts of defenders that go top 3 or top 5, many times years later turns out they went too high. Not saying will be the case here, but it might.
I've gotten cold feet on Strome as well although wouldn't mind one bit if we take a chance on him.
Marner for me.
Oddly I'm at the opposite point right now where I'd hope more we manage to grab Hanifin. I think the offense is good and all the other tools added in makes him an exciting guy to draft. Would be a huge step forward for our blueline turning into a legitimate strength. Other than Craig Button has anyone actually ranked a d-man ahead of Hanifin leading up to this draft?Personally hope we don't take Hanifin. Or that Zona takes him.
I feel his offensive ceiling to be in question and I don't trust the NCAA as a means of determining skill level. And one too many mentions of Provorov or Werenski potentially being better one day. If you look through past drafts of defenders that go top 3 or top 5, many times years later turns out they went too high. Not saying will be the case here, but it might.
I've gotten cold feet on Strome as well although wouldn't mind one bit if we take a chance on him.
Marner for me.
just hoping Strome goes 3rd. Give me either Hanifin or Marner
Oddly I'm at the opposite point right now where I'd hope more we manage to grab Hanifin. I think the offense is good and all the other tools added in makes him an exciting guy to draft. Would be a huge step forward for our blueline turning into a legitimate strength. Other than Craig Button has anyone actually ranked a d-man ahead of Hanifin leading up to this draft?
Busts and guys taken too high can happen no matter the position. I don't think that's a reason to get scared of drafting defense.
I'm good with any of Hanifin/Strome/Marner, and could even be ok with Barzal if the Leafs feel that strongly about him. So if we go forward I am more than ok with that, but I'd also pretty happy to walk out of the top 5 part of the draft with Hanifin.
Feel same way overall. Really want Hanifin, as I feel he can be a foundational piece we don't have (no disrespect to Rielly or Nylander).
Saying that though, I would be happy with any 4 combination of Hanifin/Strome/Marner/Barzal.
just hoping Strome goes 3rd. Give me either Hanifin or Marner
Hanifin - unlike J-Bo - actually possesses a cannon of a shot and is a legitimate QB. He forces deflections and rebounds not to mention he can effortlessly move along the blue line.Oddly I'm at the opposite point right now where I'd hope more we manage to grab Hanifin. I think the offense is good and all the other tools added in makes him an exciting guy to draft. Would be a huge step forward for our blueline turning into a legitimate strength. Other than Craig Button has anyone actually ranked a d-man ahead of Hanifin leading up to this draft?
Busts and guys taken too high can happen no matter the position. I don't think that's a reason to get scared of drafting defense.
I'm good with any of Hanifin/Strome/Marner, and could even be ok with Barzal if the Leafs feel that strongly about him. So if we go forward I am more than ok with that, but I'd also pretty happy to walk out of the top 5 part of the draft with Hanifin.
Disagree with everything in this post. I'm sure the average fan would take their chance with a top 10 pick over Mantha. You'd have a better argument asking them to pick 20th this year vs Mantha. Then it comes down to how much you know prospects.
And I'm sure the average fan would jump at the chance at 2 of Hanifin, Marner and Strome. We're rebuilding. It's pretty obvious that this core is a massive failure.
I think you've given the average fan too little credit here, and yourself 0.274 too much.
if anything i've given the average fan too much credit. Most fans don't even know who hanifin is, and they might have heard of marner and strome because they're toronto natives, but have probably never seen either play. And the average fan definitely doesn't know anything about mantha, but many would assume he's equivalent to a top 10 pick because he was #20 by detroit and has size.
Once you've been around for as long as me you'll realize just how little the average fan actually knows.
Well I hadn't started thinking of him as a Gonchar, but will be extra sure not to now .Hanifin - unlike J-Bo - actually possesses a cannon of a shot and is a legitimate QB. He forces deflections and rebounds not to mention he can effortlessly move along the blue line.
We really need to stop thinking of him as a Gonchar since he thinks the game a lot like Lidstrom. For that reason, Arizona will most likely select him but he's at 4, he's ours.
If we get Hanifin, we may not have to draft another defenseman in the first round for a long, long time. Rielly, Hanifin, Gardiner, and maybe one or two of Loov, Percy, Finn, Granberg, one or two savvy veteran adds and that blueline is basically built for the next decade.
At that point we can be adding forwards of any shape or size or style up front while a young maturing blueline leads the charge. There will still be time for players like Matthews, Puljujarvi, Laine, Brown, Steel, Tkachuk, Benson, McLeod, etc. to be added.
A team that needs a Kessel will most certainly trade any first rounder + for him (with the exception of generational talents) because they know what they are getting (more or less).
I had a dream last night that we drafted Strome and Werenski. Depressed when I woke up
I haven't seem much of Werenski, maybe 2-3 games max, but I'll take it!
Now let's go Leafs, make that a reality.