Are you getting confused with Connie Francis, chanteuse?
Lidstrom was robbed of hart trophy a couple of times. If anything, he should had more hardware. That's how important he was. Look at the red wings after he retired. They went from a contender every year to a regular playoff team with no chance at the cup.
Rod Langway over PAUL Coffey
No way
Whenw as he robbed of the Hart?
His highest finished are 4 (2008) and 6 (2007) - he had no case over Ovy or Sid those years.
Coffey finished with one more Norris than Langway.
Shame on Langway for being the best DEFENCEman
As good as Langway was, I agree with his Hart nominations, but not his norris nominations.
It would be like voting for Marc Edouard Vlasic over Brent Burns or Drew Doughty last year.
Or giving it to Defensive only Stevens in the early 2000's. Lidstrom fans would have thrown a tiff too.
Take it from this angle then. Bourque was amazing defensively and outscored Langway 96 to 33. In fact Bourque almost outscored him on goals alone.Vlasic is NOT on Langway's level defensively.
That's not even a remotely accurate comparison since Lidstrom was on the same level as Stevens defensively.
Remember, Langway walked into a horrible franchise and turned them around immediately. How else can you explain this:
Goals against for Washington 1982: 338
Goals against for Washington 1983: 283
Goals against for Washington 1984: 226 (1st)
Langway joined the team for the 1982-'83 season and you can see the immediate impact he made. The Caps also jumped leaps and bounds in points those years from 65, 94, 101 and they remained there for a bit. Langway was the reason for this. People forget he actually finished 5th in Norris voting while he was with the Habs and he had other years where he finished high outside of his Norris years. Granted, he probably wins the Norris based on just how drastic he turned the team around rather than whether he was better than Coffey or Bourque but for a couple of years he was good enough to win against these guys. It happens. Heck, Mike Green was a Norris candidate for a brief time too. Sometimes there are players who are good enough to hold it together for a couple years with the best of them but just not good enough to do it for 15 years. Langway falls in this category, and by the way was way more impactful than Green, just not Coffey or Bourque over the long haul.
Which is why I said he deserved Hart, but not the Norris.Remember, Langway walked into a horrible franchise and turned them around immediately. How else can you explain this:
Goals against for Washington 1982: 338
Goals against for Washington 1983: 283
Goals against for Washington 1984: 226 (1st)
Langway joined the team for the 1982-'83 season and you can see the immediate impact he made. The Caps also jumped leaps and bounds in points those years from 65, 94, 101 and they remained there for a bit. Langway was the reason for this. People forget he actually finished 5th in Norris voting while he was with the Habs and he had other years where he finished high outside of his Norris years. Granted, he probably wins the Norris based on just how drastic he turned the team around rather than whether he was better than Coffey or Bourque but for a couple of years he was good enough to win against these guys. It happens. Heck, Mike Green was a Norris candidate for a brief time too. Sometimes there are players who are good enough to hold it together for a couple years with the best of them but just not good enough to do it for 15 years. Langway falls in this category, and by the way was way more impactful than Green, just not Coffey or Bourque over the long haul.
No argument there. There were a lot of guys in that era who had amazing seasons and runs. It was just such a star studded era for Dmen.I like Langway, he was great. (I especially like that he is the only NHL-er ever to be born in my old home, Taiwan!) 1980-82, he was already one of the top D-men in the NHL for Montreal. Full marks. He was already up there with Larry Robinson in Norris voting before he was traded (he was +66, in 66 games, in 1982 with Montreal). Washington's improvement was largely down to him. I say, he fully deserved his two Norris trophies.
By the way, if any D-man didn't get enough hardware in that era, it's probably Mark Howe. Damn, he was great.
I like Langway, he was great. (I especially like that he is the only NHL-er ever to be born in my old home, Taiwan!) 1980-82, he was already one of the top D-men in the NHL for Montreal. Full marks. He was already up there with Larry Robinson in Norris voting before he was traded (he was +66, in 66 games, in 1982 with Montreal). Washington's improvement was largely down to him. I say, he fully deserved his two Norris trophies.
By the way, if any D-man didn't get enough hardware in that era, it's probably Mark Howe. Damn, he was great.
I agree, although the award in question is for best "defenceman", not best player -- I think everyone (?) would agree Bourque at his best was a better player than Langway at his best.But his defense was not 3 times better than Ray Bourque, whose offense and transition game WAS at least 3 times better than Langway's while being close defensively.
I like Langway, he was great. (I especially like that he is the only NHL-er ever to be born in my old home, Taiwan!) 1980-82, he was already one of the top D-men in the NHL for Montreal. Full marks. He was already up there with Larry Robinson in Norris voting before he was traded (he was +66, in 66 games, in 1982 with Montreal). Washington's improvement was largely down to him. I say, he fully deserved his two Norris trophies.
As good as Langway was, I agree with his Hart nominations, but not his norris nominations.
It would be like voting for Marc Edouard Vlasic over Brent Burns or Drew Doughty last year.
Or giving it to Defensive only Stevens in the early 2000's. Lidstrom fans would have thrown a tiff too.