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Paul Marner's Baby Boy is the top of the list for me. Turns into an absolute ghost every playoff. I am 100% certain he is incapable of growing a playoff beard.
He was certainly second fiddle at best in their 16 and 17 cups.Crosby is an overrated playoff performer himself, honestly. Lotta empty points and empty performances there.
Was it 02 he played with broken ribs?Joe Thornton averaged 0.717 ppg in his career in the playoffs. That was a bit under his 0.900 regular season average.
But to call him a playoff choker is just histrionics. Very few players in the history of the game have outperformed their regular season averages in the playoffs. Thornton's numbers put him at 153rd all-time. Not amazing, but hardly scorn-worthy.
I think people remember one or two postseasons he had in Boston and it just became a label that was never updated and has been lazily repeated for so long that it's now "common knowledge".
Honestly, it reminds me of people who talk about the President's Trophy curse. It's parroting nonsense. Stop it.
Yashin was brutal
That guy scored a MASSIVE playoff goal one year for the OilersFor any diehard Habs fans, god bless what David Desharnais did in terms of never being drafted, so tiny, and then becoming the #1 Center for the Montreal Canadiens and subsequently set up for life financially. But come playoff time, he was so affraid of the contact and going anywhere near the boards, he was invisible. He is a prime example of why teams many times draft for size.
He sucks, he's not even 3ppg.This turned into a thread where people post players they don't like.
Saying McDavid isn't a good playoff performer because he hasn't won a cup is an insane take.
There's definitely something to be said about his performances in big games, but criticizing him for leaving the bubble to be with his sick daughter I won't tolerate. It's disgusting what people (especially so-called Bruins fans) said about him after he made the right decision.Doesn't matter what numbers you have if you choke in the biggest games.
2010 - Bruins up 3-0 on Flyers in both the series and Game 7 of Round 2, loses 4-3 (on 27 shots)
2013 - Gives up 2 goals in the final minute to lose to the Hawks in Game 6 of the Stanley Cup finals
2014 - Gives up 4 goals on 28 shots in Game 6 and 3 goals on 18 shots in Game 7 against Montreal in Round 2
2017 - Gives up 3 goals on 29 shots against in Game 6 vs. Ottawa in first round, gets caught way out of position on OT winner
2018 - .896 in 4 straight losses vs. Tampa in 2nd Round
2019 - Gives up 4 goals on 20 shots, lets in 2 of 4 shots in the 1st period in game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals
2020 - Opts out in the middle of the playoffs after losing 3 out of 4 starts
This might well be the answer. Those Canucks teams should have contended, and Cloutier was practically the worst goalie in the league during three consecutive playoffs between 01-03.I lived in Vancouver from 98 to 03, and Todd Bertuzzi, and Dan Cloutier were the worst when the games meant something.
LOLDoesn't matter what numbers you have if you choke in the biggest games.
2010 - Bruins up 3-0 on Flyers in both the series and Game 7 of Round 2, loses 4-3 (on 27 shots)
2013 - Gives up 2 goals in the final minute to lose to the Hawks in Game 6 of the Stanley Cup finals
2014 - Gives up 4 goals on 28 shots in Game 6 and 3 goals on 18 shots in Game 7 against Montreal in Round 2
2017 - Gives up 3 goals on 29 shots against in Game 6 vs. Ottawa in first round, gets caught way out of position on OT winner
2018 - .896 in 4 straight losses vs. Tampa in 2nd Round
2019 - Gives up 4 goals on 20 shots, lets in 2 of 4 shots in the 1st period in game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals
2020 - Opts out in the middle of the playoffs after losing 3 out of 4 starts
DIF REG_PTS_PER82 - PO_PTS_ADJ_PER82
* - only PO seasons (also REG Games > 14 and PO Games > 4)
** - adjusted for REG GPG
DIF_PER_SEASON
* - only PO seasons (also REG Games > 14 and PO Games > 4). 3 Seasons min.
** - adjusted for REG GPG
Player | Season Games | Season Goals | Season Assists | Season Points | Season Wins | Playoff Games | Playoff Goals | Playoff Assists | Playoff Points | Playoff Wins | Ratio In Question |
Al Smith | 80 | 35 | 55 | 90 | 0.65 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0.2 | 0.109 |
Bob Pierre | 80 | 30 | 50 | 80 | 0.64 | 12 | 4 | 5 | 9 | 0.5 | 0.586 |
Chris Sandstrom | 80 | 25 | 45 | 70 | 0.63 | 17 | 7 | 9 | 16 | 0.529 | 0.903 |
Somehow I missed that he did finally get one postseason with over a point per game when he scored 6 goals and one assist in a six game series against the Preds as a 40-year-old. Other than that only two 1.0 ppg post seasons and overall 0.68 career playoff ppg while in the regular season he got just over 1.0 career ppg. Pre 30-y-o he did score 13 goals in 21 PS games but didn't get that much assists. Definitely an underwhelming playoff performer overall, though it's true that those early Jets and Mighty Ducks teams weren't good.Selanne had very disappointing totals in the postseason. 44-44-88 in 130 GP. Mostly playing in the playoffs post age 30 has something to do with this.
Except I wasn't talking about leading one's team in scoring --- I was talking about leading THE SERIES (i.e., both teams) in scoring. Thornton appeared in 33 playoff series, and exactly zero times he led both teams in scoring. Here are some historical comparisons:So first off, no thanks for posting something so wrong that I had to take the time to run the numbers.
Thornton led his team in scoring in 7 of 13 playoffs (54%) that he played on the top line and on 2 knees.
Thornton led his team in scoring in 8 of 24 series (33%) that he played on the top line and on 2 knees.
I'm impressed that Draper and Carbonneau were in that many playoff series. Those are winners.Except I wasn't talking about leading one's team in scoring --- I was talking about leading THE SERIES (i.e., both teams) in scoring. Thornton appeared in 33 playoff series, and exactly zero times he led both teams in scoring. Here are some historical comparisons:
Most Times leading a playoff series in scoring:
24 - Gretzky
10 - Kucherov / Sakic
9 - Lemieux / Bossy / Gilmour / Modano / Fedorov
8 - M. Richard / Lafleur / Howe / Savard / Brett Hull
(move way down the list...)
4 - Draisaitl / Bure / Drillon / Sorrell / Payne / Orr / Conacher / Giroux / Staal / Keeling / Marchessault / Straka / Leach / Ullman / Hawerchuk / Mats Naslund / H. Smith (+ many more)
0 - Thornton
Best %, "#1 PTS" in Playoff Series
57% - Gretzky
45% - Lemieux
44% - Draisaitl
38% - Kucherov
36% - Bure
33% - Sakic / McDavid / Scheifele
32% - Bossy
31% - M. Richard / Drillon / Sorrell
30% - Perreault / Guentzel / Lafleur
(move way down the list...)
20% - Marchand / M. Tkachuk / Zibanejad / Smyl
0 - Thornton
NHL forwards who have been in the most playoff series without ever being #1 in scoring in that series:
44 - Draper
43 - Carbonneau
32 - Keane
37 - MacTavish
36 - Shanahan
34 - Holmstrom / D. Hunter / Nystrom
33 - Thornton / Maltby / McCarty / Krushelnyski
Rask was the best Bruin in the 2019 finals. He was let down by the team in front of him. That's the curse of being a goalie though, you're always the easiest guy to blame.Tukka Rask and Frederik Andersen. Both have choked in every big crucial moment they've ever played in, except when Rask played Andersen in that game 7 between the Bruins and the Leafs.
It's not a lazy narrative.Joe Thornton averaged 0.717 ppg in his career in the playoffs. That was a bit under his 0.900 regular season average.
But to call him a playoff choker is just histrionics. Very few players in the history of the game have outperformed their regular season averages in the playoffs. Thornton's numbers put him at 153rd all-time. Not amazing, but hardly scorn-worthy.
I think people remember one or two postseasons he had in Boston and it just became a label that was never updated and has been lazily repeated for so long that it's now "common knowledge".
Honestly, it reminds me of people who talk about the President's Trophy curse. It's parroting nonsense. Stop it.
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