Speculation: Who are the Wild going to be?

[Legegendsofthenorth]

So on what basis do you say Guerin has a vision and Fenton didn't?

That's my title of the thread. I dont know what it is? That's why I was asking others opinions

 

[Bazeek]

Agreed. Unlike Fenton, I think he has clear vision on how he wants this team to look. That's why it doesn't surprise on those moves either

One of my concerns with Guerin is that I kind of get the opposite impression right now. I think Fenton had definite ideas about what he wanted his team to look like, what kind of players he wanted and all that. I think he was somewhat clumsy in how he acquired those players (and in some cases which players he targeted), but I think he knew what he wanted.

Guerin seems to have very strong ideas about what his team should feel like, especially in The Room, but I have yet to see much from him that indicates what his vision for the roster is or what kinds of players he likes. His biggest moves so far have been retaining guys that were here when he arrived, or exporting guys that he didn't see fitting long term. We have yet to see him really "go after" a player.

 

[AKL]

That's my title of the thread. I dont know what it is? That's why I was asking others opinions

Agreed. Unlike Fenton, I think he has clear vision on how he wants this team to look. That's why it doesn't surprise on those moves either

You made the claim that Guerin has a vision on how he wants his team to look, and Fenton didn't. On what basis can you say that?

It's nothing more than conjecture.

 

[Legegendsofthenorth]

You made the claim that Guerin has a vision on how he wants his team to look, and Fenton didn't. On what basis can you say that?

It's nothing more than conjecture.

I guess you can take it how you want.

He did the thing you want every smart leader should. Sat back and evaluated the whole operations from top to bottom for an extended period before making changes.

He then fired Boudreau, got rid of Mason and parted with Zucker and Staal and obviously Parise was also someone he was willing to trade.

It's his first offseason so was asking what direction people thought he would go with the organization.

You said Fenton had a vision to get younger and faster and then in his first offseason signed Zuccarello? But that's just the players attributes side of things. He showed no organizational leadership and didn't seem to think culture was a big deal.

I believe good teams become a good because all the pieces fit from skills to attitudes to leadership. And they are all pointed in one direction.

You think Fenton had that???

 

[AKL]

I guess you can take it how you want.

He did the thing you want every smart leader should. Sat back and evaluated the whole operations from top to bottom for an extended period before making changes.

He then fired Boudreau, got rid of Mason and parted with Zucker and Staal and obviously Parise was also someone he was willing to trade.

It's his first offseason so was asking what direction people thought he would go with the organization.

You said Fenton had a vision to get younger and faster and then in his first offseason signed Zuccarello? But that's just the players attributes side of things. He showed no organizational leadership and didn't seem to think culture was a big deal.

I believe good teams become a good because all the pieces fit from skills to attitudes to leadership. And they are all pointed in one direction.

You think Fenton had that???

So what it sounds like is you like Guerin's "vision" better, not that Fenton didn't have one.

 

[Legegendsofthenorth]

So what it sounds like is you like Guerin's "vision" better, not that Fenton didn't have one.

Oh now I get how it sounds. Yes I get Fenton had a vision, but from my opinion he really didn't have one. Sorry my bad...

I dont know if I like Guerins vision or not because I dont know what it is.....

 

[DANOZ28]

losers until we add a stud goalie & 2 centers.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

losers until we add a stud goalie & 2 centers.

We added 2 centers

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

We added 2 centers

Did we?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Did we?

They stated both are playing center. Like it or not that is acquiring 2 centers.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

They stated both are playing center. Like it or not that is acquiring 2 centers.

I choose “not”.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I choose “not”.

That is fine. I like them both.

 

[57special]

We are going to be a bunch of speedy Swedish LW's.

 

[AJ Thelen]

 

[Olcoach]

Next year this team as it stands has a floor of 10 pts out of the playoffs. If a 2c can be added a cieling of one and done. #9OA this year won't contribute. Team will still be known for strong defensive positioning, still lacking O. Just my opinion.

 

[57special]

All joking aside, what he is saying so far is status quo is unacceptable. He is holding the veteran leaders of the team accountable. Koivu, gone. Doobs, going. Staal, gone. Working on Parise. Suter stays because he is still good. I bet Zuccarello is next after the Seattle ED if he doesn't start earning his pay.

 

[Legegendsofthenorth]

Getting rid of some players today. Should be exciting times to see how BG shapes his roster in the coming weeks

 

[guitarhunterdude]

That's not a vision. Those are statements. Every single GM can say we want to get younger and faster and stronger and quicker....

The David Kahn special.

Not sure what Guerin's envisioned team will look like in the end, but in the meantime I'm thinking it'll be a T-34.

 

[HotDish]

The David Kahn special.

Not sure what Guerin's envisioned team will look like in the end, but in the meantime I'm thinking it'll be a T-34.

How dare you bring up he who shall not be named.

 

[nickschultzfan]

Faster. We will be faster.

 

[57special]

"Long and athletic"

 

[ThatGuy22]

Who are the Wild going to be?

Better without Dubnyk between the pipes.

 

[Aftershave]

So on what basis do you say Guerin has a vision and Fenton didn't?

I’ll give it a try. The way I see it, BG has more than a “vision”. I’m hopeful he has a tangible plan for what this team must look like, and I feel than every move he makes gets him one step closer to what he’s trying to achieve. With Fenton I had the feeling that he definitely had a “concept”, meaning “getting younger and cheaper” and it looked like he just seized any opportunity offered to him to get younger and cheaper. I know it’s subtle, but in my mind each trade with Fenton was a thing in and of itself so long as it ticked the box of “young and/or cheap”; whereas with BG it looks like each trade is a small part of something bigger that we’re all excited to see.
But that’s honestly just my opinion based on nothing other than my feeling...

 

[MuckOG]

Im not certain exactly what Guerin's vision is, but he is on the record saying that the roster he inherited was not going to get it done. A tweak here and there wasnt going to be enough.

Call it a "retool" or "rebuild" or whatever you like, but the roster needs to be turned over. We can quibble all day long about whether he shouldve gotten more value back in any given trade, but he needed to act. Sometimes it stings a bit when you rip off the scab.

 

[BigT2002]

All joking aside, what he is saying so far is status quo is unacceptable. He is holding the veteran leaders of the team accountable. Koivu, gone. Doobs, going. Staal, gone. Working on Parise. Suter stays because he is still good. I bet Zuccarello is next after the Seattle ED if he doesn't start earning his pay.

Seattle gets the #1 pick no matter what next year too right??

The bummer is even if the Wild are absolute horrid -- they STILL won't get the #1 overall