Where would you rank Patrick Kane All Time?

[lawrence]

greatest american player or at least a top 2 American player of all time. top 10 NHL player of all time. He deserves it.

 

[Jack Spider]

Lafleur tier.

 

[jigglysquishy]

greatest american player or at least a top 2 American player of all time. top 10 NHL player of all time. He deserves it.

What?!

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Might crack top 50. I have him below Selänne.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

In 2019, the HOH Top 100 list ranked Hull 80th all-time (I think that was a bit low, but not by much). Has Kane passed Hull?

Players in the 50's, as of 2019, included Peter Forsberg, Chris Pronger, and Evgeni Malkin. I don't think Kane has passed any of them. So "55 or lower" seems to be the best option.

Malkin was rated too low on that list, and also put up at least one elite season after the list was made (top 10 in Hart voting and points per game), in addition to hitting some more milestones.

Malkin is realistically around 30th all-time (rather than 50th) on an updated, less biased list.

 

[Golden_Jet]

In 2019, the HOH Top 100 list ranked Hull 80th all-time (I think that was a bit low, but not by much). Has Kane passed Hull?

Players in the 50's, as of 2019, included Peter Forsberg, Chris Pronger, and Evgeni Malkin. I don't think Kane has passed any of them. So "55 or lower" seems to be the best option.

Maybe post list, what is HOH, there are 2 Hull’s , I assume your talking Brett.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Malkin was rated too low on that list, and also put up at least one elite season after the list was made (top 10 in Hart voting and points per game), in addition to hitting some more milestones.

Malkin is realistically around 30th all-time (rather than 50th) on an updated, less biased list.

Post your list or get out of here with this bias nonsense. No other list was as heavily researched, scrutinized, and open to hockey from all time periods.

Esposito was 27th. Clarke was 30th. Trottier was 31st. Sakic was 32nd.

He hasn't overtaken any of these centres.

The highest vote he recieved was 33rd.

 

[amnesiac]

Malkin was rated too low on that list, and also put up at least one elite season after the list was made (top 10 in Hart voting and points per game), in addition to hitting some more milestones.

Malkin is realistically around 30th all-time (rather than 50th) on an updated, less biased list.

Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time

Top-200 Hockey Players of All-Time The following is the final list of the top hockey players of all-time as determined by 32 voting members of the History of Hockey community. Report any errors to @quoipourquoi RankPlayerPositionBornNationBirth City 1Wayne GretzkyC1961CanadaBrantford...

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I still dont have him ahead of: Sakic, Trottier, Yzerman, Bossy, Chelios, Robinson unless he plays 300+ more games and can keep well above a PPG. Hes clearly been slowing down, though. So I wouldnt bet on it.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Brimsek??? No. Chelios? Perhaps but if Kane retires with 1500+ points in addition to his multiple other accomplishments he’ll be the best American ever

Brimsek's reputation has grown immensely over the past decade as more research is done into 1930s and 40s hockey.

He was voted in as the best goalie pre 1950, though I have him second to Vezina. It's an insanely high bar.

 

[lawrence]

What?!

why not? its just my opinion btw.

 

[jigglysquishy]

why not? its just my opinion btw.

Who is in your top 10? I don't even see an argument for top 10 amongst wingers.

Hockey has a 130 rich history. And Kane is the 5th best forward of post 2005 lockout era.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Post your list or get out of here with this bias nonsense.

What’s nonsense is believing a list created by 30+ Canadians (many of whom were from a fairly xenophobic era) and 1 Russian poster is going to be unbiased. In addition to being biased, it is also already dated when it comes to players like Malkin, as I outlined in my post.

…unless he plays 300+ more games and can keep well above a PPG. Hes clearly been slowing down, though. So I wouldnt bet on it.

Malkin is about 160 points above a PPG, he will certainly retire above a PPG regardless of how many more seasons he decides to play.

Without taking this too far off topic by delving into a large number of players, Malkin can easily be argued above players like Yzerman and Trottier already as he’s definitely had a better peak, better prime, and a better playoff record. Malkin was the best player in the world in some years, unlike either of them. Malkin’s on the verge of hitting big milestones (500 goals, 1200 points) which should add even more career value as well.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Brimsek's reputation has grown immensely over the past decade as more research is done into 1930s and 40s hockey.

He was voted in as the best goalie pre 1950, though I have him second to Vezina. It's an insanely high bar.

Research it all you want, saying Brimsek is better than Kane is some hipster ass opinion. No, a goalie from 80 years ago isn’t better than a perennial superstar with a plethora of trophies and accomplishments in a 30-32 team league in modern times.

Out to lunch.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don't have a top 100 list ready to go, but I agree with most who think he is absolutely top 100, probably not top 50, although he isn't done yet so we'll see how the rest of his career plays out.

 

[Wings4Life]

I'd have Kane a ways behind the Esposito/Malkin tier but closing quickly on the Sakic/Trottier tier.

Kane is slowing down a bit this season, which is not good. He needs to stay at or above a point per game on his career when he retires to really preserve his legacy, IMO.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Research it all you want, saying Brimsek is better than Kane is some hipster ass opinion. No, a goalie from 80 years ago isn’t better than a perennial superstar with a plethora of trophies and accomplishments in a 30-32 team league in modern times.

Out to lunch.

Disregarding a player because of his birth year simply means you are unwilling to make an all time list.

What’s nonsense is believing a list created by 30+ Canadians (many of whom were from a fairly xenophobic era) and 1 Russian poster is going to be unbiased. In addition to being biased, it is also already dated when it comes to players like Malkin, as I outlined in my post.

There are about a half dozen Americans too.

5 Russians were ranked above Malkin.

Out of the top 100
9 Russians
6 Americans
3 Swedes
2 Czechs
2 Fins
1 Slovak

It is the most diverse list completed by HoH or any major hockey publication. It gave the most credit to Soviet hockey of any major list. It did the most to represent all time periods and hockey nations.

The 101 to 200 is even more diverse
11 Russians
6 Swedes
6 Czechs
3 Americans
2 Slovaks
1 Slovenia

 

[Midnight Judges]

I'm not sure where I'd rank him but obviously his resume is pretty good.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Disregarding a player because of his birth year simply means you are unwilling to make an all time list.

There are about a half dozen Americans too.

5 Russians were ranked above Malkin.

Out of the top 100
9 Russians
6 Americans
3 Swedes
2 Czechs
2 Fins
1 Slovak

It is the most diverse list completed by HoH or any major hockey publication. It gave the most credit to Soviet hockey of any major list. It did the most to represent all time periods and hockey nations.

The 101 to 200 is even more diverse
11 Russians
6 Swedes
6 Czechs
3 Americans
2 Slovaks
1 Slovenia

Nothing in your post refutes the basic fact that it is a biased list.

Next list needs to have 5 Canadian voters, 5 Russian voters, 5 Americans, 3 Slovaks, etc, to be considered unbiased.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Nothing in your post refutes the basic fact that it is a biased list.

Next list needs to have 5 Canadian voters, 5 Russian voters, 5 Americans, 3 Slovaks, etc, to be considered unbiased.

Everyone is welcome to participate. Being an English language forum will obviously skew the participants.

If you were to weigh out based on size in the Hockey world, you would still need to be a plurality Canadian. If you were to base it on hockey history, you would be an strong majority Canadian.

And it was the Canadian arguing for higher rankings of Soviet players.

 

[SwedishFire]

I have him 15 all time on my wingers list, but I haven't updated it in a while. Wouldn't have him top 50 all time.

My top 10 wingers for transparency sake
1. Gordie Howe
2. Jaromir Jagr
3. Bobby Hull
4. Alex Ovechkin
5. Maurice Richard
6. Guy Lafleur
7. Sergei Makarov
8. Bill Cook
9. Mike Bossy
10. Valeri Kharlamov

Dont know who Bill Cook is, but I could guarantee Kane is better talent than him. P Kane is Round top 40 all time.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Everyone is welcome to participate. Being an English language forum will obviously skew the participants.

Alright so it appears you agree, the list was biased.

If you were to weigh out based on size in the Hockey world, you would still need to be a plurality Canadian.

Don’t have the exact numbers in front of me, but something like 6 Canadian voters to 5 Russian ones could be accepted as an unbiased composition, for example.

Not thirty to one.

 

[Weztex]

I believe that lists should approximately display the same position distribution as the actual game (3F, 2D, 1G). So for Kane to break a top-50 list, he’d need to be around a top-25 forward all-time. As much as I like him as a player, I cannot conceive how he’d crack the mark.

Dont know who Bill Cook is, but I could guarantee Kane is better talent than him. P Kane is Round top 40 all time.

« I’ve never heard of that guy before but trust my opinion on him »

 

[x Tame Impala]

Disregarding a player because of his birth year simply means you are unwilling to make an all time list.

No it means the league has changed and quality of competition has drastically increased since the 30’s and 40’s.

Kane has managed to be one of the most productive players in the league over his entire career. Both in goals and points. He’s been consistently elite, 2nd only to Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, and sporadically to Malkin, Draisaitl, and Matthews. That’s incredible company to keep while in your 30’s as a player.

You’re overvaluing accomplishments from a player you never saw. Hipster. Ass. Opinion.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Malkin was rated too low on that list, and also put up at least one elite season after the list was made (top 10 in Hart voting and points per game), in addition to hitting some more milestones.

Malkin is realistically around 30th all-time (rather than 50th) on an updated, less biased list.

The list is definitely outdated with respect to active players (that's why I specified it was from 2019). But I have a hard time seeing Malkin around 30th (that implies he's something like the ~18th greatest forward of all-time, and I can't see how he's close to that).

Maybe post list, what is HOH, there are 2 Hull’s , I assume your talking Brett.

Yes, I was referring to Brett Hull (who was ranked 80th). Kane may have surpassed him, but if so, it couldn't have been by much. I can't envision how Kane, at this point, would come close to Bobby Hull.

Link to the list (from 2019): Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time

 

[Wings4Life]

what is HOH

Basically a group of Canadian posters patting each other on the back.