When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[Bedards Dad]

When the team is as bad as when he took over

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So if he has a slightly better team than when he took over that doesn't make playoffs you'll be happy keeping him around? How long does that last?

 

[Stickpucker]

He can only play the hand he was dealt.

As an outsider he's played that hand pretty well.

 

[13to40]

The goal this year was to be better than last year and be competitive in the playoff hunt until the end.

The team is currently doing exactly that. Sure they are on a huge losing streak where they haven’t at all resembled the team that went on a tear and had an 8 point lead in the wild card position a few weeks ago, but nonetheless they are still in the hunt for a spot.

Do I think they make it? Realistically no. I think they are playing pathetic right now. Do I think it is the GM’s fault? No I don’t. It really seems that there is something going on in the locker room and the coach seems to be making weird line up decisions.

Does Yzerman get a lot more heat next year if this is the same situation? Yes I think we can revisit this next year if this team isn’t in a playoff spot and has a major regression in the standings compared to where they finish this year.

 

[Stickpucker]

The goal this year was to be better than last year and be competitive in the playoff hunt until the end.

The team is currently doing exactly that. Sure they are on a huge losing streak where they haven’t at all resembled the team that went on a tear and had an 8 point lead in the wild card position a few weeks ago, but nonetheless they are still in the hunt for a spot.

Do I think they make it? Realistically no. I think they are playing pathetic right now. Do I think it is the GM’s fault? No I don’t. It really seems that there is something going on in the locker room and the coach seems to be making weird line up decisions.

Does Yzerman get a lot more heat next year if this is the same situation? Yes I think we can revisit this next year if this team isn’t in a playoff spot and has a major regression in the standings compared to where they finish this year.

I think this was compounded when teams expected to regress like Washington and Boston really haven't.

Detroit was never going to be better than Florida, TB, or Toronto this season.

Then you keep Boston up and have Washington doing well with the youth movement and there is no place at the inn for DRW.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

That's loser talk.

That garbage belongs in Buffalo or Ottawa or Minnesota, where there is no historic standard of success and winning.

 

[Ezekial]

The thing is Buffalo has better underlying numbers than the Wings. Red Wings are buoyed by having the second highest shooting % in the league 5v5. They are a mirage to be as high as they are in the standings.

Buffalo also have more young core players. Its more likely than not that they surpass the Wings next season. Same with New Jersey. I take both of those rosters over the Wings. Both of those teams have more young roster players that could take a step forward next season.

You can talk about prospect pools, but the Wings only have one roster defenceman under the age of 28. Raymond is the only forward on the roster that likely has any potential to improve. Every one else is basically 27-28+.

I don't see a team that is on the verge of turning the corner.

Hit me up when Buffalo shows up the first half of a season. Literally hear the same shit every march/april about them looking like next year is the year they finally make the playoffs.

 

[Crunchy]

Not even close to the same situation or even the same sport.

I didn't say it was the same situation. I said that you were probably saying Harbaugh should be fired in 2020. And I'm saying you calling out Yzerman now will look similar.

I'm sorry that you and a bunch of non-red wings fans are really upset with Yzerman, but patience is required as he told everyone from the start. He will get this team rolling, you can count on that. And he wants another dynasty.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Edvinsson looks pretty good and Grand Rapids is on a run at least.

Again this team is placeholder city.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

I feel like I was the only person on this board not in love with Yzerman in TB/when he came to Detroit, and I think he is far from some god level GM, but my god people just don't get it.

It's like you answer your own question but still can't get it. The plan is to draft and develop. Despite HFBoards overall obsession with children, it is still way too early to know if that is working or not.

2019: Has a case for the 2nd best player from the draft. Other players still developing just fine.
2020: Has a case for the best player from the draft. Other players still developing just fine.
2021: 1st round draft pick has been developing nicely, but its still to early to know if he's good or not because he is being developed.

Like, feel free to use hindsight and build your dream-team from 1 player from every round of the draft since he took over and realize that team would still suck. Again, HFBoards overall obsession with children might think they might not suck, but they would be wrong

I don't want to hear anything about "developing".

Steve Yzerman has been GM since April of 2019, and has been in charge of 5 Drafts. Only two of his draft picks are regular NHL players in 2024. That's not good enough five years into his tenure.

 

[Crunchy]

I don't want to hear anything about "developing".

Steve Yzerman has been GM since April of 2019, and has been in charge of 5 Drafts. Only two of his draft picks are regular NHL players in 2024. That's not good enough five years into his tenure.

Ok please show us an example of an acceptable record from the last 5 years. I'll wait.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

He can only play the hand he was dealt.

As an outsider he's played that hand pretty well.

In general I agree, and it's a fantasy that there's some amazing executive out there you can simply hire and turn your team around, at least now that we are deep into the salary cap era. You simply need to get elite talent for many years, and the easiest way to do that is the top of the draft. Even in Tampa the cups were powered by Stamkos and Hedman. And I don't really believe there's any GM with such an amazing edge they can find Kucherov in the 2nd round reliably.

He's a good executive, not a wizard.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

The goal this year was to be better than last year and be competitive in the playoff hunt until the end.

The team is currently doing exactly that. Sure they are on a huge losing streak where they haven’t at all resembled the team that went on a tear and had an 8 point lead in the wild card position a few weeks ago, but nonetheless they are still in the hunt for a spot.

Do I think they make it? Realistically no. I think they are playing pathetic right now. Do I think it is the GM’s fault? No I don’t. It really seems that there is something going on in the locker room and the coach seems to be making weird line up decisions.

Does Yzerman get a lot more heat next year if this is the same situation? Yes I think we can revisit this next year if this team isn’t in a playoff spot and has a major regression in the standings compared to where they finish this year.

Yes, they're technically "in the hunt", but the fact that they routinely start games with absolutely no urgency whatsoever (and got dominated in their "easy" games against the Coyotes, Sabres and Penguins and against the Blue Jackets in the 1st period) means this roster is completely put together wrong, that their coach absolutely sucks, or a combination of both.

It would have been one thing for them to be in the hunt and losing close games and looking like they give a damn. Right now, most nights they look like a team not interested in playing and hoping to get a head start on their offseason vacations.

 

[Mrfenn92]

It takes time. Don’t think yzerman has failed at all. Some of his free agent choices have been a little miffing.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Ok please show us an example of an acceptable record from the last 5 years. I'll wait.

The Vegas Golden Knights, who didn't even exist when the Red Wings were last in the playoffs, have been in the Stanley Cup Final twice and won it once while being in the playoffs every year.

The 2nd year Seattle Kraken were within a game of the 3rd round last season.

Like I said, Steve Yzerman was brought back to Detroit to be special - not a run of the mill GM. Just about anyone else would have had Detroit right where they are right now, and that's not what he was hired for. The fact that they're on the verge of missing out on the playoffs for the 5th straight year of his tenure is a MAJOR failure. What GM in a serious hockey market would be allowed to enter year 6 of his tenure without a single playoff appearance and apparently no pressure from up top?

Start having a standard and demand more, because your apparent complacency with mediocrity is the polar opposite of what fans of teams like Detroit should expect.

It takes time. Don’t think yzerman has failed at all. Some of his free agent choices have been a little miffing.

It takes time to become a Cup contender. Nobody said Detroit should be competing for the Cup this year. But it should not take this long to be back in the playoffs, which half of the NHL qualifies for. This isn't Major League Baseball where only a fraction of the teams are in the dance after the regular season.

 

[Crunchy]

The Vegas Golden Knights, who didn't even exist when the Red Wings were last in the playoffs, have been in the Stanley Cup Final twice and won it once while being in the playoffs every year.

The 2nd year Seattle Kraken were within a game of the 3rd round last season.

Like I said, Steve Yzerman was brought back to Detroit to be special - not a run of the mill GM.

Blah blah blah, expansion teams, blah blah not responding to the inquiry.

Please provide an acceptable drafting record over the last 5 years. As you've stated, Moritz Seider and Lucas Raymond as the only players NHL players and a top 3 prospect pool is "not good enough".

 

[Mrfenn92]

His first and second first round picks are just finishing their elc’s. Not sure what you can expect. It was a complete gut job rebuild of an old festering rotten foundation leftover from the previous admin.

@Hockeyfan2390

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

So if he has a slightly better team than when he took over that doesn't make playoffs you'll be happy keeping him around? How long does that last?

For some, there is no deadline, and they're still seeing Yzerman as the legendary captain raising the Stanley Cup rather than Yzerman the GM whose famous "Yzerplan" is far off course.

"Oh, you think you know more than Yzerman?? You think you could do a better job??"

No, but I've also never been a feature film director, and I'm allowed to go to the movies and say what I paid for wasn't up to par with what I was expecting. I've never held public office, and I'm allowed to say that our elected representation blows and isn't doing what we expected.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

His first and second first round picks are just finishing their elc’s. Not sure what you can expect. It was a complete gut job rebuild of an old festering rotten foundation leftover from the previous admin.

@Hockeyfan2390

Would you be allowed to be approaching six years in your profession before you start producing meaningful results?

Of course not. I sure wouldn't. Why do these sports executives get unlimited runway?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Would you be allowed to be approaching six years in your profession before you start producing meaningful results?

Of course not. I sure wouldn't. Why do these sports executives get unlimited runway?

Every situation is different and you probably know that. This isn’t a EA sports franchise.

 

[izlez]

Would you be allowed to be approaching six years in your profession before you start producing meaningful results?

Of course not. I sure wouldn't. Why do these sports executives get unlimited runway?

Because we are looking at how the sport works, not making ridiculous comparisons to other jobs, and see that time and time and time again when teams try to rush it they end up with mediocrity at best forever.

So, please show us your favorite drafting from 2019 onward.

 

[13to40]

Yes, they're technically "in the hunt", but the fact that they routinely start games with absolutely no urgency whatsoever (and got dominated in their "easy" games against the Coyotes, Sabres and Penguins and against the Blue Jackets in the 1st period) means this roster is completely put together wrong, that their coach absolutely sucks, or a combination of both.

It would have been one thing for them to be in the hunt and losing close games and looking like they give a damn. Right now, most nights they look like a team not interested in playing and hoping to get a head start on their offseason vacations.

I don’t think it’s as much as a roster building issue as it is a coaching issue.

Coach hasn’t had the boys looking remotely interested for a few weeks now.

I know a lot of wings fans like to blame 1-2 players on playing poorly for the downfall of the team, but in reality Lyon wasn’t going to sustain the numbers he was putting up either. The lack of overall urgency too is very worrisome to the fans as well. The issue isn’t why is Berggren in the line up be Czarnik or why X defender is paired why Y defender. The issue is at hand should be focused on why X player is playing key minutes 5on5 when he is a power play specialist. Or why aren’t there ever in game adjustments to try and spark something mid game when all is going to hell.

The game against Washington showed the difference from a team wanting to make it vs a team just happy to be in the hunt and maybe thinking about an extended summer vacation.

As I mentioned in another thread, it’s not over yet, but the fat lady is already doing some voice tests on stage.

 

[sxvnert]

The criticisms can start this season. A legit goaltender or duo would have easily got them in the playoffs. The rest seems like patchwork to make the post season.

 

[izlez]

Steve Yzerman has been GM since April of 2019, and has been in charge of 5 Drafts. Only two of his draft picks are regular NHL players in 2024. That's not good enough five years into his tenure.

Ok please show us an example of an acceptable record from the last 5 years. I'll wait.

The Vegas Golden Knights, who didn't even exist when the Red Wings were last in the playoffs, have been in the Stanley Cup Final twice and won it once while being in the playoffs every year.

So we go from:
Yzerman's drafts from 2019 onward suck --> Show us who is better --> VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS!

Krebs, Korczak, Dorofeyev, Brisson, Cormier, Dean have combined for 318 NHL games and 111 NHL points.

 

[norrisnick]

I don't want to hear anything about "developing".

Steve Yzerman has been GM since April of 2019, and has been in charge of 5 Drafts. Only two of his draft picks are regular NHL players in 2024. That's not good enough five years into his tenure.

As if the NHL is crawling with regulars from the '21, '22, '23 drafts and ours are the ones that didn't hit.

 

[iliketorock]

So we go from:
Yzerman's drafts from 2019 onward suck --> Show us who is better --> VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS!

Krebs, Korczak, Dorofeyev, Brisson, Cormier, Dean have combined for 318 NHL games and 111 NHL points.

206 of those games and 64 of those points are from Krebs. 2 of those players are NHL "regulars".

Krebs did help get them Eichel though which is pretty big time.