Semin is far better than a lot of wingers on these list... he certainly is greater than Wilson, Oshie, and Vrana that I see a lot of.
He was absolutely a better player than Oshie but Oshie's impact on the franchise is far greater.Semin is far better than a lot of wingers on these list... he certainly is greater than Wilson, Oshie, and Vrana that I see a lot of.
He was absolutely a better player than Oshie but Oshie's impact on the franchise is far greater.
In a vacuum I'd take Oshie over Semin too just because Oshie's tenacity & 2-way game offsets the difference in skill IMO
He was absolutely a better player than Oshie but Oshie's impact on the franchise is far greater.
In a vacuum I'd take Oshie over Semin too just because Oshie's tenacity & 2-way game offsets the difference in skill IMO
He’s integral in the room too.
I got lots of love for Oshie, probably my 2nd favorite Cap ever. But its easy to overrate all the guys on these current Caps team since they finally won. Oshie I get, but Wilson and Vrana belong no where near the All time Caps team (yet). Its not like the Caps were a garbage franchise for 40 years until they won.
Easy to overrate? I mean come on....I didn’t mention Vrana or Wilson. You lumped Oshie in with them lol...
I wasn’t talking about you...
Anyways the point is in the Caps 40 year history having 7ish guys from one Cap era team is a little much.
I wasn’t talking about you...
Anyways the point is in the Caps 40 year history having 7ish guys from one Cap era team is a little much.
He was absolutely a better player than Oshie but Oshie's impact on the franchise is far greater.
In a vacuum I'd take Oshie over Semin too just because Oshie's tenacity & 2-way game offsets the difference in skill IMO
Semins 2-way game was heavily underrated by many around here. He was an elite level PKer (there was a 1.5 season stretch where he scored as many short handed goals as he was on the ice for PP goals against). His even strength defense was high quality as well (and certainly far above Ovechkin’s), to the point where his skill with stick takeaways ended up getting him a reputation with the refs that led to his penalties.And that, right there, is why Semin should not make anyone's all time list.
Semins 2-way game was heavily underrated by many around here. He was an elite level PKer (there was a 1.5 season stretch where he scored as many short handed goals as he was on the ice for PP goals against). His even strength defense was high quality as well (and certainly far above Ovechkin’s), to the point where his skill with stick takeaways ended up getting him a reputation with the refs that led to his penalties.
Semin had all kinds of elite skills. Many, including me, thought he was more talented than Ovechkin. Its in the application of that ability where Semin falls short. "You've got a gift, Roy. But its not enough."
There’s more to hockey than skill. Semin wasn’t especially strong or quick/fast, he had decent hockey sense but nothing elite. These expectations Semin had were always ridiculous.
Semins 2-way game was heavily underrated by many around here. He was an elite level PKer (there was a 1.5 season stretch where he scored as many short handed goals as he was on the ice for PP goals against). His even strength defense was high quality as well (and certainly far above Ovechkin’s), to the point where his skill with stick takeaways ended up getting him a reputation with the refs that led to his penalties.
Punishing a player for what he wasn't, while ignoring what he was, always seemed like a particularly silly way to evaluate a player. The fact his skill ceiling is so high that people are upset he wasn't even better than he was should count as benefit, not a blemish. He was one heck of a hockey player, regardless of whether or not you think he achieved his potential.Semin had all kinds of elite skills. Many, including me, thought he was more talented than Ovechkin. Its in the application of that ability where Semin falls short. "You've got a gift, Roy. But its not enough."
Punishing a player for what he wasn't, while ignoring what he was....
I was actually more in awe of Semin at times than Ovechkin. Semin was one of the most naturally gifted players I've ever watched. His wrist shot goal against Nashville off a drop pass from MoJo remains the nicest release I've ever seen.