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What does Kucherov need to do to surpass Ovechkin and become the greatest Russian player to ever play in the NHL?

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HolyHagelin said:
I checked again just now, I don’t know what happened yesterday i would be ready to swear it said 65, maybe I accidentally pulled up a different player?

I got nuthin.
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Maybe 65 pts from this year? Either way it doesn't matter...anything is possible, but I don't think there will be a big focus placed on his career +/-
 
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If you adjust the scoring to the years they played, I would say in terms of points Ovechkin at the same age as Kucherov is about similar as far as averages go. The major difference is the trophy case that Ovechkin has piled up plus being on the brink of breaking the goal scoring record.

Kucherov needs to be dominant for the next few seasons on the same level as he is now plus rack up a similar trophy case as Ovie to have a chance. The problem is it's gonna be hard doing that in a McDavid era.
 
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blue425 said:
Ovechkin will retire as the greatest goal scorer of all time. So he has to beat that.
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Kind of a dumb take no? What I interpret from this is that Kucherov would have to take the goal record from Ovechkin to be best him on the all-time list. So that must mean you think OV shoots to #1 on the list if he breaks that record? If so, at least consistent, delusional, but consistent. And if not…why would that qualifier only apply to Kucherov? Kucherov isn’t Gretzky, I get that, but my point is so many people saying there is nothing he can do or he’d have to break the goals record, etc. Really? The question isn’t if people think he can surpass, pretty much everyone will simply say no. Question is what he’d have to do…whether you think it’s possible or not
 
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Toby91ca said:
Kind of a dumb take no? What I interpret from this is that Kucherov would have to take the goal record from Ovechkin to be best him on the all-time list. So that must mean you think OV shoots to #1 on the list if he breaks that record? If so, at least consistent, delusional, but consistent. And if not…why would that qualifier only apply to Kucherov? Kucherov isn’t Gretzky, I get that, but my point is so many people saying there is nothing he can do or he’d have to break the goals record, etc. Really? The question isn’t if people think he can surpass, pretty much everyone will simply say no. Question is what he’d have to do…whether you think it’s possible or not
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No, not really.

If Ovechkin breaks the goal record (and I think he will) I don't think there is anything he can realistically do to be labeled the greatest Russian player of all time. You can argue he is better, but he will never be greater.
 
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blue425 said:
No, not really.

If Ovechkin breaks the goal record (and I think he will) I don't think there is anything he can realistically do to be labeled the greatest Russian player of all time. You can argue he is better, but he will never be greater.
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Welcome to the semantics discussion
 
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blue425 said:
No, not really.

If Ovechkin breaks the goal record (and I think he will) I don't think there is anything he can realistically do to be labeled the greatest Russian player of all time. You can argue he is better, but he will never be greater.
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I never get this great, better, had a better career, had a better prime ect .. isolation arguments.one should look at the totality of any 2 players then decide which guy was actually better all things considered.

Ovi is obviously the better goal scorer and has the better overall career right now.kuch is the better playmaker and has the better playoff resume but lacks the career aspect and most likely won't be able to make that up but time will tell.
 
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I never get this great, better, had a better career, had a better prime ect .. isolation arguments.one should look at the totality of any 2 players then decide which guy was actually better all things considered.

Ovi is obviously the better goal scorer and has the better overall career right now.kuch is the better playmaker and has the better playoff resume but lack the career aspect and most likely won't be able to make that up but time will tell.
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Ovie was also a freight train for part of his career, so if you want to isolate aspects of their game to compare, he has that one in the bag.
 
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RogerRoger said:
Ovie was also a freight train for part of his career, so if you want to isolate aspects of their game to compare, he has that one in the bag.
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Sure that's a fair point in favour of Ovi for part of his career.

How much value it holds is somewhat subjective and is no doubt not as valuable as his goalscoring or Kuchs playoff resume one would think.
 
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blue425 said:
No, not really.

If Ovechkin breaks the goal record (and I think he will) I don't think there is anything he can realistically do to be labeled the greatest Russian player of all time. You can argue he is better, but he will never be greater.
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Not true, although highly unlikely he will achieve the resume, but Ovechkin holding that record doesn't guarantee that Kucherov can't pass him.
 
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blue425 said:
No, not really.

If Ovechkin breaks the goal record (and I think he will) I don't think there is anything he can realistically do to be labeled the greatest Russian player of all time. You can argue he is better, but he will never be greater.
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Yeah, but you bring in what you think he can accomplish. And yeah, getting to semantics here....but if someone asks what needs to be done, here's the answer, and everyone can conclude, yeah, no chance he's going to accomplish that though....2 separate questions. My point is that there is definitely things that can be done, beyond just besting him on the goal record, but the 2nd part is that he's not going to be able to do those things.
 
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glenngineer said:
Please show your math on this. I’m not seeing how you came up with this
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I'm guessing he/she is talking about the average for an 82 game season. Ovechkin played 1426 games and scored 853 so far, so if you do (853 * 82 / 1426), you get about 49 goals per an 82 game season.
 
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There’s nothing he can do to pass Ovechkin or even be a tier near him
 

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Alexander the Gr8 said:
Very easy. We're using Ovechkin's career pace from his rookie season until the end of the 2022 season (age 20 to 36).

780 goals in 1,274 games = 50.2 goals per 82 games.
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Ok, but wouldn’t that be the same thing as saying Crosby averaged over 100 points a year for his entire career so far (19 years)?
 
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