WHA vs. Europe

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  1. statistics

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    Intresting games, intresting results.

    September-October 1974 (first 4 games in North-America and last 7 in Europe)

    WHA all-stars goals first:

    Soviet Union 3-3 tie
    Soviet Union 4-1 win
    Soviet Union 5-8 loss
    Soviet Union 5-5 tie
    Finland 8-3 win
    Sweden 4-3 win
    Soviet Union 2-3 loss
    Soviet Union 2-5 loss
    Soviet Union 4-4 tie
    Soviet Union 2-3 loss
    Czechoslovakia 1-3 loss

    WHA totals:

    Games: 11
    Wins: 3
    Losses: 5
    Ties: 3


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    September 1975 (all games in Europe)

    Winnipeg Jets (Jets goals first):

    HIFK (FIN) 7-5 win
    Tappara (FIN) 3-3 tie
    TPS (FIN) 3-4 loss
    Sweden 6-2 win
    Stockholm Select (SWE)* 7-3 win
    Leksand (SWE) 8-2 win
    Västra Frölunda (SWE) 4-3 win
    Czechoslovakia 1-6 loss
    Czechoslovakia 1-3 loss

    Toronto Toros (Toros goals first):

    HIFK (FIN) 6-2 win
    Tappara (FIN) 5-5 tie
    Modo (SWE) 0-6 loss
    Björklöven (SWE) 3-2 win
    Skellefteå (SWE) 2-5 loss
    Timrå (SWE) 1-3 loss
    Jämtland/Härjedalen Select (SWE) 12-0 win
    Brynäs (SWE) 4-7 loss
    Hammarby (SWE) 5-2 win

    WHA totals:

    games: 18
    Wins: 9
    Losses: 7
    Ties: 2


    * = The Stockholm Select consisted of players from AIK, Djurgården and Södertälje.

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    September 1976 (all games in Europe)

    Phoenix Roadrunners (Roadrunners goals first):

    Jokerit (FIN) 8-3 win
    TPS (FIN) 2-4 loss
    Finland All Stars 2-2 tie
    HIFK (FIN) 4-1 win
    Tampere All Stars (FIN) 5-5 tie
    Kiekko Reipas (FIN) 6-5 win
    Ässät (FIN) 5-5 tie
    Kärpät (FIN) 7-3 win

    December 1976 (all games in Moscow Izvestia tournament)

    Winnipeg Jets (Jets goals first):

    Czechoslovakia 2-3 loss
    Sweden 4-4 tie
    Soviet Union 4-6 loss
    Finland 2-1 win

    December 1976 Poldi Kladno (CZE) vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

    WHA teams goals first:

    Winnipeg 6-5 win
    Edmonton 6-4 win
    Calgary 4-5 loss
    New England 1-4 loss
    Minnesota 3-2 win

    December 1976-January 1977 Soviet Union vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

    WHA teams goals first:

    New England 5-2 win
    Cincinnati 5-7 loss
    Houston 1-10 loss
    Indianapolis 2-5 loss
    San Diego 3-6 loss
    Edmonton 2-3 loss
    Winnipeg 2-3 loss
    Quebec 6-1 win

    WHA Totals:

    Games: 25
    Wins: 10
    Losses: 11
    Ties: 4


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    September 1977 (all games in Europe)

    Winnipeg Jets (Jets goals first):

    Skellefteå (SWE) 7-2 win
    Modo (SWE) 6-2 win
    Timrå (SWE) 4-1 win
    Örebro (SWE) 9-2 win
    Västra Frölunda (SWE) 6-3 win
    HIFK (FIN) 6-6 tie
    Leksand (SWE) 2-3 loss
    Södertälje (SWE) 2-5 loss
    AIK (SWE) 5-7 loss

    Cincinnati Stingers (Stingers goals first):

    Soviet Union 4-11 loss
    Czechoslovakia 2-8 loss
    Soviet Union 2-5 loss
    Czechoslovakia 3-12 loss
    TPS (FIN) 1-6 loss
    Ässät (FIN) 2-8 loss
    Finland 8-4 win

    December 1977 Quebec Nordiques (all games in Moscow Izvestia tournamenat)

    Nordiques goals first:

    Soviet Union 3-5 loss
    Sweden 2-6 loss
    Finland 6-6 tie
    Czechoslovakia 2-6 loss

    Czechoslovakia B (2nd best national team) vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

    WHA teams goals first:

    Indianapolis 3-5 loss
    Quebec 8-4 win
    Winnipeg 5-1 win
    Edmonton 6-1 win
    New England 5-3 win
    Houston 3-2 win
    Cincinnati 5-5 tie
    Birmingham 5-0 win

    Soviet Union all-stars B vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

    WHA teams goals first:

    New England 7-2 win
    Indianapolis 3-4 loss
    Winnipeg 6-4 win
    Edmonton 5-2 win
    Birmingham 6-1 win
    Quebec 3-3 tie
    Cincinnati 4-5 loss
    Houston 2-6 loss
    Houston 3-7 loss
    Indianapolis 2-4 loss

    December 1977-January 1978 (all games in Japan)

    Winnipeg Jets (Jets goals first):

    Soviet Union 5-7 loss
    Soviet Union 2-4 loss
    Soviet Union 1-5 loss

    January 1978 (all games in North-America)

    Soviet Union vs. WHA teams

    WHA teams goals first:

    Edmonton 2-7 loss
    Winnipeg 5-3 win
    Quebec 3-6 loss
    New England 4-7 loss
    Indianapolis 3-8 loss
    Cincinnati 2-9 loss

    March 1978

    Sweden vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

    WHA teams goals first:

    Indianapolis 6-3 win
    Houston 8-3 win
    New England 6-0 win
    Cincinnati 4-5 loss
    Birmingham 7-4 win

    March 1978

    Finland vs. WHA teams (all games in North-America)

    WHA teams goals first:

    Birmingham 2-3 loss
    New England 7-3 win

    WHA totals:

    Games: 54
    Wins: 22
    Losses: 28
    Ties: 4


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    September 1978 (all games in Europe)

    Edmonton Oilers (Oilers goals first):

    Örebro (SWE) 3-3 tie
    HV-71 (SWE) 4-4 tie
    Sweden B (2nd best national team) 6-5 win
    Sweden B 4-8 loss
    TPS (FIN) 5-4 win
    HIFK (FIN) 5-2 win

    December 1978 (all games in North-America)

    Soviet Union all-stars B vs. WHA teams

    WHA teams goals first:

    New England 4-7 loss
    Birmingham 2-2 tie
    Winnipeg 3-4 loss
    Edmonton 5-3 win
    Quebec 3-6 loss
    Cincinnati 3-5 loss

    December 1978 (all games in North-America)

    Sweden vs. WHA teams

    WHA teams goals first:

    Winnipeg 4-3 win
    Quebec 7-3 win
    Edmonton 11-2 win

    December 1978-January 1979 (all games in North-America)

    Dynamo Moscow B vs. WHA teams

    WHA teams goals first:

    New England 4-1 win
    Edmonton 1-4 loss
    Winnipeg 6-4 win
    WHA All Stars 4-2 win
    WHA all-stars 4-2 win
    WHA All Stars 4-3 win

    December 1978-January 1979 (all games in North-America)

    Czechoslovakia B (2nd best national team) vs. WHA teams

    WHA teams goals first:

    New England 10-4 win
    Edmonton 5-1 win
    Winnipeg 3-3 tie
    Birmingham 10-2 win

    March 1979 (all games in North-America)

    Finland B (2nd best national team) vs. WHA teams

    WHA teams goals first:

    Quebec 2-4 loss
    Winnipeg 4-3 win
    Edmonton 8-4 win
    + 2 games WHA teams lost both

    WHA totals:

    Games: 30
    Wins: 17
    Losses: 9
    Ties: 4


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    WHA totals 1974-1979:

    Games: 138
    Wins: 61
    Losses: 60
    Ties: 17


    http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1974/game00.htm

    http://web.telia.com/~u66005454/modofile.htm
     
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    There is some contradictory information between the two sources. In the second one it says that Dynamo Moscow lost 6 and won only one, while the chidlovski website (here) has the opposite result.
     
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    Good work. Yes it says Dynamo Moscow played seven games lost all, but one, but he only list six games. :dunno:
     
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    I added 2 games. I know that Finland B won both games (March 1979), but I don't know opponets and exact scores).
     
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    Actually, this brings up a lot of interesting points regarrding the WHA. I personally was a WHA fan & believe they were very close to NHL calibre. They did have their strong & weak teams but so did the NHL.

    I remember the 74 summitt series very well & watched every game. It was actually a very close series. Coach Harris mad a bad move early in the series by sitting some of the best players (Gordie howe was one) to give some of the lesser players a chance to play. this took the momentum away. This team did not have the depth to do that. Also in moscow, the Russians played their usual mind games. Hull scored in the last seconds but " of course, time had run out".

    I also saw on TV the Jan 78 game between the Jets & the Soviet all stars which the JEts won (a club team won). Probably the best game i ever saw in my life.
     
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    I meant that the other source says that Dynamo Moscow won six and lost one.
     
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    Yes. Chidlovski says Dynamo went 6-1 and the hockey files wrote, that Dynamo played 7 games and lost all, but one. The hockey files list only six games results (Dynamo 1-5).
     
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    The Finnish player Matti Hagman, who played on both Boston Bruins (NHL) and Quebec Nordiques (WHA) in the 1970s, said that the difference between NHL and WHA was huge (in NHL´s favour). I think that only Jets and Quebec can be mentioned in the same breath with the best NHL teams, though Habs would have killed both in a playoff series. But it´s also true that NHL had REALLY crappy teams in those days.

    IMO the WHA - Soviets series proves that the Russians pre-1977 were a very overrated team. I believe that the Soviets who played in the Challenge Cup ´79 would have crushed the WHAs Team Canada. Then again, the Canadians were much better prepared than in ´72 and some credit must be given to their effort. For instance, if Tretiak hadn´t played so well in the 2nd game, Team Canada would have won the game 20-1 (or 20-2, since a clear Soviet goal was disallowed :D ); it´s the worst game I´ve ever seen the Soviets play.

    The Hull "goal" wasn´t in the last secondS; it was in the LAST SECOND (if it indeed was a goal). That (7th) was the only Moscow game that was truly competitive; IMO the Soviets were simply better there (yes, the refereeing was, um, European-styled, to put it nicely).

    And finally, The Soviet national team and Winnipeg Jets played a 4-game series (or was it 3-game series and then they played 1 game later????!!!); the Soviets won the first 3 and Jets the last one (5-3). I believe it was Sidelnikov who was the starting goalie for the Russians in that game... I wonder if they had some other key players missing from the line-up as well. But no big deal; even Poland holds a victory over the Soviets (1976).
     
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    I would like to point out that this was NOT the real Czech national team!!!!! And it isn´t in the later series (played in the 1978-79 season) either. No Martinecs, Hlinkas, P. Stastnys etc.

    On the site they talk about "a development team", whatever that means... (B-/C-Czechoslovakia?)
     
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    You're right. Thank you for the correction. It's now Czechoslovakia B.
     
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    What exactly was the problem?


    I looked it up and Dynamo did go 1-5 that time. However, its best players were with the main and junior national teams. Some players where replaced by CSKA ones (who did not make the national teams), so it should be Dynamo Moscow B?


    Should be Soviet All-Stars B and
    Birmingham 6-1 win
    plus:
    Quebec 3-3 tie
    Cincinnati 4-5 loss
    Houston 2-6 loss
    Houston 3-7 loss
    Indianapolis 2-4 loss

    This is according to here (Russian)


    Again should be Soviet All-Stars B
    plus:
    Quebec 3-6 loss
    Cincinnati 3-5 loss

    From here (Russian)
     
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    Thank you for the corrections.
     

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