Discussion in 'The History of Hockey' started by Mcnotloilersfan, Apr 16, 2018.
Roy was the class of the era. Head and shoulders above those other guys.
What can you say, a lot of things get better with time, but not everything does.
when you put chris osgood and mike richter above the goalies of today that says it all
i would put 90's sitcoms and movies above today, everything else is the same or better
Don't forget Jason Muzzatti, Wade Flaherty, Stephane Fiset, and Craig Billington.
Olaf Kolzig > Osgood
Osgood was a bad example, but don't underrate Richter. But judging by your 'nostalgia' post, you didn't actually come here to talk hockey.
How about Reece or Knickle?
Goalies today are much MUCH better than those having their peaks in the 90s.
I doubt anyone thinks Osgood or Richter were better than today’s best goalies. They weren’t even the best goalies of the mid 90s.
That being said, Osgood had a .914 regular season with a .930 in the playoffs and narrowly missed a Conn Smythe... in 2008. He beat the Crosby/Malkin Pens (same guys who are two-time repeat champions and leading their playoff series as we speak) to post those numbers. I wouldn’t pretend that he couldn’t play in today’s league.
Is it hasek cuz hes so much better than the rest of them and just invented his own style
Roy gets credit for mainstreaming butterfly but that was actually around for a long time. Marty did both but his key was stickhandling. Hasek just reinvented the position
They were awesome goalies, but it was also the nature of the game at the time. For example, forwards from ~80-95 were great because they game evolved in that direction and the training/skill/strategy for forwards at the time had outpaced the other positions. While from ~90-2005 or so, the goaltending position was benefiting from a revolution. So it's a combination of the right players at the right time, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be considered the best of all-time, that status should just be considered in context with the evolution of the NHL.
Right now we're seeing the same thing, since 2005, except this era isn't a specific position rather it's a leap forward in speed and team tactics.
Not at all, it's the era I grew up watching the game in the most. The goalies from that era are certainly more memorable. But better? No. Even switching those guys out, we're still talking about an era where a guy in Cam Ward that for the most part is considered to be a disappointment right now would firmly be in place as one of the top 10 of that era, and in the conversation for #5 behind Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, and Belfour.
Underrating Belfour and Joseph a bit. I think they compare favorably to say Lundquist and Luongo.
I would add that Ward is probably going to end up rated higher than a lot of people expect in THIS era. People might be shocked at where he finishes for his generation in terms of GP and wins.
he only "beat" them because the whole team got out shot almost 2:1, he was clearly their weak link in 2008 but was better in 09
i'm not saying he couldn't play today, i'm saying there are tons of goalies today that are better
Seriously speaking, all those tenders were peppered by USSR teams with goals because they didn't know "the butterfly" and simply stood in the net.
In this century, he's 5th & 6th, about where I would figure. His biggest problem is his career stats are a bit lower than everyone around him on the list. Only one in the top 15 wins list since 2005 with below .910 career sv%.
The 90s had three of the greatest goalies of the modern era, with Hasek being the greatest player of the 90s.
I think today there's better goalies on average than any other era, especially with so many backups walking in and temporarily stealing jobs, but I don't think the top goalies today are as good as the top goalies in the 90s were compared to their contemporaries.
It's funny. Wrote Tertiak second but had to retype and somehow forgot to include.
If memory serves Tony O would drop down into the butterfly. Didn't he? I can barely remember what I had for breakfast so ... ?
If were talking Golden Age of goaltending I'd think the mid 70s would edge out the 90s. But that's just my opinion. And not one I'm locked into. The advent of goalie masks and helmets coupled with some amazing players really changed things. (cough: can't believe at one time The Boston Bruins had the rights to Cheevers, Dryden and Parent.
But do you put all-time greats 'Roy, Hasek, Belfour, Joseph, Fuhr and Barrasso' over 'Trektiak, Dryden, Parent, Cheevers, Esposito'?
Vernon and Moog were pretty excellent back in the day also.
I can't think of a single goalie in the salary cap era who can really compare to Brodeur, Roy, or Hasek. The big 3 really stand out from their peers, while there is nobody from today's game that stands out. I think that just means that depth is better today than the 90's.
Yes. And the early 1990's were my favorite era
That’s my point, though. Osgood was always somewhere near league average. In 1994 and in 2009. Kind of like how Jagr and Lidstrom were exceptional at both ends of that time frame. People talk about the evolution of hockey as though it just keeps getting better... but you see the same guys playing at about the same level 15 years apart. Clearly the bar didn’t get so much higher in those 15 years, if a mediocre goalie like Chris Osgood could still show up those New and Improved goalies.
Ah no its osgood. Dude couldn't hold a candle to any of those guys listed. And someone rolled out ozzys stats...uh this is where metrics fail, anyone can see with the eye test osgood isn't even in the same stratosphere as those guys