Confirmed with Link: [VGK/CAR] Erik Haula for Nicolas Roy + Conditional 5th Round Pick

[GIN ANTONIC]

The DeHaan trade is awful. I get we did it to free up space to basically replace him with someone else who makes a similar salary but is more offensive minded. Faulk was obviously moving on so five top 4 guys wasn’t going to be an issue. The supposed horrific career ending shoulder injury....he’s already back. He missed the first game from a groin pull. I think analytics wise Gardiner is great because he helps our style of getting the puck out of the zone quickly, but DeHaan wasn’t bad at that and was better defensively.

In the end I get the swap out and why, but there’s no highway robbery there. He’ll play probably even a bigger role for them. We got two guys Chicago may not have even qualified and definitely wouldn’t have played for them. They aren’t playing for us, though maybe with injuries they get in at some point.

Not arguing about DeHaan, just saying that’s not highway robbery. Doing some math where Gardiner being good somehow factors into the trade, I’ve never been a fan of those rationalizations. Too much time between them to know Gardiner would happen anyways.

Yeah, you're right. The De Haan trade was a head scratcher. It only made sense if they thought De Haan's shoulder was mangled or they already have the moves lined up to trade Faulk and/or bring in Gardiner or someone else who they thought was a better fit. I'm surprised that they could get something better for CDH. Even just picks or high ceiling, long shot prospects but really they just bolstered their AHL depth... which is fine... but like wasn't really a huge priority.

BUT CDH was also found money in that we signed him as a UFA so it wasn't great asset management but it also didn't cost us anything. In the end I think it worked out as our defense is much more balanced and cheaper but I completely agree that CDH should have returned something better than literally just getting out from under his contract, which while he is *maybe* slightly overpaid, he's still a very capable shut down top 4D and I don't think many teams would have an issue paying that for a player of his caliber.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Except there was no market for Ferland and he needed to sign a Show Me Contract

In the sense of exceeding expectations. Like it or not, they were interested in re-signing Ferland at one time. His production at that point warranted a contract that his overall production combined with player type didn't.

Haula around $5 mil could be a mid-term piece for the organization. If he has a good year and the market, which is seemingly constantly starved for centers, values him around $6 mil or more, he's one and done.

 

[Borsig]

There's also something to be said if Holler likes to play here with other finns. Carolina is a welcoming enviornmennt, great climate, and region. If I was an NHL player, and Carolina was competitive, I'd damn sure rather play here, than the desert, or frozen north if the difference in salary was only like 15-20%. But then again, I'n not an NHLer. I'm a mountain boy who hates living in Va and wishes he was back in NC.

 

[MinJaBen]

Haula around $5 mil could be a mid-term piece for the organization. If he has a good year and the market, which is seemingly constantly starved for centers, values him around $6 mil or more, he's one and done.

If Haula scores like he did two years ago, and provides the faceoff acumen he's shown already, he's easily worth more than $6M. Even by our own internal salary standards, that would put him ahead of Jordo as far as centers go. If his play continues as is, I'd be on board for a 5 year $6M AAV. That should be affordable assuming the cap keeps going up and would allow us to fit in Svech and Dougie in a couple of years.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

In the sense of exceeding expectations. Like it or not, they were interested in re-signing Ferland at one time. His production at that point warranted a contract that his overall production combined with player type didn't.

Haula around $5 mil could be a mid-term piece for the organization. If he has a good year and the market, which is seemingly constantly starved for centers, values him around $6 mil or more, he's one and done.

We'll see where his numbers are later in the year. But if he's a 30 goal scorer this year, that means he's potentially consistently a 30-goal scorer, since he got 29 his last healthy season in VGK -- and in that case, he is damned sure a $6m player somewhere, and maybe more.

 

[Lempo]

The Hurricanes are 3-0-0 for the first time since 1995, and...

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Erik ‘Bo Time’ Haula
If there’s ever a change in your Wikipedia page, you know you’ve either done something terrible or something amazing.
Erik ‘Bo Time’ Haula has done something amazing.
By simply having the guts to stand in front of the net on the power play and having the wherewithal to direct the puck inside of it, Haula has revived the North Carolina biscuit industry.​

Hey Sara!

I have been in process of making non-/less than/sub-optimal kind of my thing.

Are you touching my thing, Sara?

 

[WreckingCrew]

I have been in process of making non-/less than/sub-optimal kind of my thing.

Are you touching my thing, Sara?

That'll get someone reported to HR...

 

[Porvari]

That PP last night for the first goal was the most unfair thing I've seen since that time in the 90's when they put Lemieux, Jágr, and Francis together for the man advantage. If Haula stays in that unit (and why wouldn't he), I'd say he can't not score 30 goals.

 

[bleedgreen]

It seemed at the time Gardiner was acquired to fix the power play, but so far it sure looks like we had a pp weapon all along in Hamilton that we weren't using. I dont want to drag up old posts but I know I wasnt alone in pounding the table that he needed more pp time. On the flip side if Gardiner also gets in a groove and we have 2 solid pp units we might really have a stew going

The thing that bothered me wasn’t just that we chose Faulk over him for pp1 despite the obvious difference between them, but that with his small pp2 minutes Rod felt obligated to put Slavin with him. No offense to Slavin, but having a lefty defenseman with a 7 foot stick as his left side option was hardly helpful.

You can see the obvious difference now that Dougie knows the middle of the ice is his, and he controls the flow. He excels when he’s trusted with the role like that. Early on last year he looked to me to be confused with his role in general, like he was surprised we didn’t want more from him. That’s on him to adapt but there’s a clear difference so far this year. It helps that there’s more depth for both units now.

 

[bleedgreen]

The thing about De Haan is that I think that the Borg was concerned about Aho's contract being far more of a cap burden than it turned out to be. I therefore think that the De Haan trade and the Gardiner signings were unrelated. Gardiner, to me, was a pure power move that was a consequence of the Aho offer sheet. We were one of the few teams that had every single player important to the NHL roster signed on, and the RFA drama squeezed several teams out in September when they otherwise would've been suitors.

I think they had a lot of pokers in the fire and were appropriately prepared when everything fell the way it did. They were good that way for sure. When they ended up with maybe a little more money than they expected from Aho, they knew what they could do with it already.

Imagine if we didn’t have Marleau on the tab? Wonder if we had another move. Next year will be interesting that way. We don’t mind spending to the cap, we have room for another player, though we may save the space for Svech.

 

[Chrispy]

The thing that bothered me wasn’t just that we chose Faulk over him for pp1 despite the obvious difference between them, but that with his small pp2 minutes Rod felt obligated to put Slavin with him. No offense to Slavin, but having a lefty defenseman with a 7 foot stick as his left side option was hardly helpful.

You can see the obvious difference now that Dougie knows the middle of the ice is his, and he controls the flow. He excels when he’s trusted with the role like that. Early on last year he looked to me to be confused with his role in general, like he was surprised we didn’t want more from him. That’s on him to adapt but there’s a clear difference so far this year. It helps that there’s more depth for both units now.

You can also see a difference in how early Rod is sending out PP2. I feel like there's a more even split so far this season than in the past because the talent is more balanced between the PPs. This gives both Hamilton and Gardiner time to QB without stepping on each other's toes.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You can see the obvious difference now that Dougie knows the middle of the ice is his, and he controls the flow. He excels when he’s trusted with the role like that. Early on last year he looked to me to be confused with his role in general, like he was surprised we didn’t want more from him. That’s on him to adapt but there’s a clear difference so far this year. It helps that there’s more depth for both units now.

Late in the Tampa game when we got the PP with a minute to go, Hamilton was visibly animated before the faceoff, slapping the boards and ice with his stick. He seems to respond to the environment more than a typical player, whether for better or worse.

 

[WreckingCrew]

That PP last night for the first goal was the most unfair thing I've seen since that time in the 90's when they put Lemieux, Jágr, and Francis together for the man advantage. If Haula stays in that unit (and why wouldn't he), I'd say he can't not score 30 goals.

You know we struggle wif da mafs around here...you can't throw double-negatives out there...I guarantee it won't fail to not cause a lack of confusion...

 

[Stubu]

I'm all for this.

Erik Haula, welcome to Carolina.

 

[Lempo]

You know we struggle wif da mafs around here...you can't throw double-negatives out there...I guarantee it won't fail to not cause a lack of confusion...

I doubt.

 

[bleedgreen]

If Haula scores like he did two years ago, and provides the faceoff acumen he's shown already, he's easily worth more than $6M. Even by our own internal salary standards, that would put him ahead of Jordo as far as centers go. If his play continues as is, I'd be on board for a 5 year $6M AAV. That should be affordable assuming the cap keeps going up and would allow us to fit in Svech and Dougie in a couple of years.

If he scores 25/25 with his speed and overall play he’s our number two center and Staal is appropriately the third. Even with 45 pts that may be the case.

At that point I wish we could keep Haula and move Staal but that seems pretty unlikely. The third center spot will be one that maybe is always a question mark money wise. We may be always looking for the next Haula.

 

[Stubu]

You know we struggle wif da mafs around here...you can't throw double-negatives out there...I guarantee it won't fail to not cause a lack of confusion...

Sometimes I feel like you do.

 

[Unsustainable]

If you think about it, Minny gave Tuch to VGK to take Haula to protect Nino.

So we pretty much traded Rask, Roy, and 5th for Nino and Haula

If it was a 3 way:

Minny:
Rask

VGK:
Tuch, Roy, 5th

CAR:
Nino, Haula

 

[AD Skinner]

Hey big man let me hold a haula

 

[Porvari]

You know we struggle wif da mafs around here...you can't throw double-negatives out there...I guarantee it won't fail to not cause a lack of confusion...

Sorry, I sometimes tend to be a bit non-unequivocal.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

If Haula scores like he did two years ago, and provides the faceoff acumen he's shown already, he's easily worth more than $6M. Even by our own internal salary standards, that would put him ahead of Jordo as far as centers go. If his play continues as is, I'd be on board for a 5 year $6M AAV. That should be affordable assuming the cap keeps going up and would allow us to fit in Svech and Dougie in a couple of years.

Teams often end up paying a premium for centers due to scarcity. The tricky thing with Haula is that the organization is actually deep at center. Aho and Staal are under contract for another 4 and 3 seasons respectively. The internal view of Necas probably still is that of a mid and long-term pivot. They’ve drafted a bunch recently, too, including Geekie, Luostarainen, Drury and Suzuki. The nice thing is that Haula does has a history on the wing. I always viewed him as the ideal bridge to Necas for that reason. However, the value equation is different without that positional context.

 

[Aurinko]

GM McPhee had few brainfarts with trades, and Haula's was one of them. He was easily worth 1st or 2nd even when injured, but they just decided to let him go for some reason.

As a huge fan, I have my moderate expectation of 40G's for Haulsy. He might not be amazing all-around player, but he really really shines in quick decision making and deadly fast shot. Anything quick or fast rhymes with the type of game Canes play.

 

[Stubu]

Teams often end up paying a premium for centers due to scarcity. The tricky thing with Haula is that the organization is actually deep at center. Aho and Staal are under contract for another 4 and 3 seasons respectively. The internal view of Necas probably still is that of a mid and long-term pivot. They’ve drafted a bunch recently, too, including Geekie, Luostarainen, Drury and Suzuki. The nice thing is that Haula does has a history on the wing. I always viewed him as the ideal bridge to Necas for that reason. However, the value equation is different without that positional context.

holy wall of text batman

i agree

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

If he scores 25/25 with his speed and overall play he’s our number two center and Staal is appropriately the third. Even with 45 pts that may be the case.

At that point I wish we could keep Haula and move Staal but that seems pretty unlikely. The third center spot will be one that maybe is always a question mark money wise. We may be always looking for the next Haula.

I disagree slightly. If Haula produces then you move a winger, Brock I'm looking at you, and keep Haula. Especially if we can bring Goat in on his ELC. TV money from the upcoming deal plus Seattle money makes keeping the roster intact much more of a possibility than it normally would be.

 

[bleedgreen]

I disagree slightly. If Haula produces then you move a winger, Brock I'm looking at you, and keep Haula. Especially if we can bring Goat in on his ELC. TV money from the upcoming deal plus Seattle money makes keeping the roster intact much more of a possibility than it normally would be.

If the team would pay 6 million for another center I’d dance a jig. I’m not saying they SHOULD move one or the other, I’m saying I think that’s what they’re gonna do. I’d love to be wrong, and I think we’d be a solid team for keeping all three.