Value of Mark Stuart

[Ducky10]

Great leadership will never compensate for bad play, intangibles are far more important in great players, not crappy ones.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Prior to this contract, I think he had trade value. Now? I don't think so. He might at the TD in the last year of this contract.

This year was the really bad one at 3.3 but, yeah I think his value has probably dropped. A year ago he might have been perceived as a gritty, shot blocking, hard hitting, crease clearing, old fashioned defenseman but I think the scouts and even the old school GMs will have caught up to him by now. Might get a late pick for him. I'd jump at the chance.

 

[sipowicz]

Mark Stuart = 0 value

Pardy or Postma should be playing over him.

 

[kylbaz]

He has never had value outside of Winnipeg.

 

[10Ducky10]

Mark Stuart = 0 value

Pardy or Postma should be playing over him.

Why hasn't Postma been given a half decent chance or moved to a team that will at least give him one?

 

[puck stoppa]

He has never had value outside of Winnipeg.

Rangers will take him for a third rounder.

 

[Thai jet*]

rangers will take him for a third rounder.

sold

 

[Thai jet*]

Who said anything about having a beer with anyone? It is about leadership, character, and ethic - I don't think this player is nearly as bad as he is painted in here and contributes in ways cute pie charts can't show. You do not need to be an athlete to understand that people like that are a requirement for cohesiveness and stability in a team dynamic.

General managers are human resource and asset resource managers, and they understand the nuances of what pieces are needed for a good team. There is zero doubt in my mind that general managers would covet what Stuart brings. Just because you can't count it doesn't mean there isn't value.

Whatever he brings, this team has never won a playoff game with him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Mark Stuart = 0 value

Pardy or Postma should be playing over him.

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The offensive numbers are almost identical in spite of many Pardy Dangles but look at the difference in the shot metrics! Of course Pardy's are from a much smaller sample because Maurice plays him so little.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Whatever he brings, this team has never won a playoff game with him.

Well there you go then. Proven.

 

[JetsFan815]

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The offensive numbers are almost identical in spite of many Pardy Dangles but look at the difference in the shot metrics! Of course Pardy's are from a much smaller sample because Maurice plays him so little.

Even going back a few years it seems like Pardy has always been a pretty dominant Corsi player. These numbers are quite something. He must have either been heavily sheltered throughout his career or he is a closet top 2 defenseman

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[Mortimer Snerd]

Even going back a few years it seems like Pardy has always been a pretty dominant Corsi player. These numbers are quite something. He must have either been heavily sheltered throughout his career or he is a closet top 2 defenseman.

But he can't get his butt out of the PB on a team that plays mark ******* Stuart.

 

[garret9]

Pardy plays sheltered minutes... but ****, wouldn't you prefer not being outscored and shot in those sheltered minutes like #Stuuuuuuuuu is?

 

[garret9]

But yes, Stuart does have trade value, even if that value is falsely perceived:
https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-acquire-murray-from-sharks/c-662018

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Pardy plays sheltered minutes... but ****, wouldn't you prefer not being outscored and shot in those sheltered minutes like #Stuuuuuuuuu is?

I want those sheltered minutes to be the most boring, low event hockey we ever watch.

Then I want our 2 top pairs to come back on the ice, and do their thing. I don't get the Stu over Pardy thing myself - Pardy isn't the best d-man in the league, but he's a very serviceable bottom pairing guy.

 

[garret9]

I want those sheltered minutes to be the most boring, low event hockey we ever watch.

Then I want our 2 top pairs to come back on the ice, and do their thing. I don't get the Stu over Pardy thing myself - Pardy isn't the best d-man in the league, but he's a very serviceable bottom pairing guy.

I just don't understand when people point out imperfections with Pardy or Postma... Of course they have faults... they are third pair defenders. Bottom of the team.

Just which one has more faults and which one do the faults are more likely to impact the team more negatively.

 

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[Channelcat]

Plenty of teams would love to have Mark Stuart. You'd easily get a 3rd for him, maybe a late 2nd.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Plenty of teams would love to have Mark Stuart. You'd easily get a 3rd for him, maybe a late 2nd.

SOLD! - But I have to run it by Chevy first. Stay right there I'll get his approval and be right back.

 

[Board Bard]

SOLD! - But I have to run it by Chevy first. Stay right there I'll get his approval and be right back.

This is what happens when you wait for Chevy to make a decision:

 

[Robinson2187]

His value is roughly commensurate to a Citizen 14" TV/VCR combo.

 

[sully1410]

About half of a bacon sandwich.

 

[BrokerD]

About half of a bacon sandwich.

I don't think you are giving bacon enough credit..

 

[Duke749]

With regards to the argument for Mark Stuart. Do we not think there might be someone somewhere in another league either in North Americanor Europe that could bring what Sturt brings but is a better puck mover or skater? I mean I would think there'd but someone somewhere.

Also Stuart is what some people still think is what a defensive defenseman is but I think that has changed and we actually have what a defensive defenseman is in this day and age. You want someone that can be good one on one, can make all the defensive reads and is good at shot suppression. But what seperates them is being able to move the puck. Tobias Enstrom is, IMO, what and ideal defensive defenseman is nowadays. Great puck mover and great at stop potential chances. Someone you wanna give heavy 5v5 minutes and PK minutes.

 

[Johnnucleo]

His value is roughly commensurate to a Citizen 14" TV/VCR combo.

Hah. It doesn't really matter the return. Who cares if it's a 6th rounder, 7th rounder, or a bag of pucks. It's about getting someone to take his contract.