Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by gorrillaunit18, Jul 29, 2004.
Which country has more young talent coming into the NHL?
Ouch! The US is definitely improving with guys like Parise, Montoya, and Whitney; but it's hardly fair comparing them to Ovechkin and Malkin.
US has 'more' young talent.
Russia has 'better' young talent.
I would disagree. I think overall the U.S. has more and better young talent. We just don't have a guy in Ovechkin's class. I'm not sure what to make of Malkin yet.
The way I see it, the US has the advantage on defense and in goal, while Russia has the edge upfront due to Ovechkin/Kovalchuk/Zherdev level players. That's really the only thing the US is not producing at this point, but it looks like they have one in 2006 with Kessel. Otherwise, they seem to be producing defensemen almost at the same rate as Canada, and in goal I would rate them third, behind only Canada and Finland.
Yep, the US doesn't have a player in Ovechkin's class....or Kovalchuk's class, or Zherdev's class, or Malkin's class, or even Frolov's class. Even Semin is better than any US prospect apart from maybe Parise and Suter.
The only place Russia is seriously lacking is in goal, although given the chance I think Bryzgalov could be a pretty decent NHL'er.
As a whole, I'd agree that the US has more young talent but Russia has better young talent.
This is proven when looking at junior competitions between the two over the last few years (U-20, U-18, U-17, etc.). Apart from a select few games, the US continuously looses to the Russians.
I don't have a problem with admitting Russia has a distinct advantage when it comes to young forwards, and forward prospects. That being said, I think the U.S. has a clear advantage in goal and on defense, and since it's a team game, those advantages are going to become more apparant over time.
And russia comes with another one in 2006 : Alexander Vasynov ! Everybody talk abou Kessel but hey what about Vasynov ? Hes junior stats are simply amazing !
We have to see............... the next U17/U18 will show it .
You're seriously overrating Semin.
No contest. Russia definately has better prospects then the US
Russia has MUCH better offensive prospects. US has better defense and goaltending prospects however.
There are many a Caps fan who would take Semin over Parise in a heart beat. He has all-star written all over him. His talent level is sick, and he's faster than Zherdev.
My vote goes to Russia. We're forgetting about Anikeenko.
What I bolded above is the key to your statement.
that's because caps fans are the ones that have consistently seen him play...
Conversely, there are NO Devils fans who would take Semin over Parise.
How is it "no contest"? Are you telling me a few (meaning around three to four) forwards and forward prospects seals the deal? Slippery slope IMO.
Offence: Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Malkin, Zherdev, Frolov, Chistov, Semin, Semenov, Chubarov, Koltsov,(blr), Radulov, Grigorienko, Perezhogin, Afanasenkov, Vorobiev, Kostitsyn (blr), Zinovjev, Suglobov, Svitov, Smirnov, Tunik, Mikhnov, Shishkanov, Shkotov............
Defence: Volchenkov, Bykov, Tyutin, Babchuk, Anikeenko, Lyamin, Kozmatchev Grebeshkov, Korneev, Kondratiev, Grot, Ezhov...
Goal: Barulin, Bryzgalov.
It's a pretty nice group, IMO the US can't match this right now, at least up front.
Upfront is the only area Russia has an advantage, for sure, due to players like Ovechkin/Kovalchuk/Zherdev. The U.S. has plenty of depth upfront, and not a bad group at all highlighted by Parise, O'Sullivan, and Schremp. They would be on par with Russia's next tier, IMO. The U.S. just lacks that superstar level forward prospect.
However, the U.S. has the advange on defense like Russia has upfront, and in net... it's not even close.
Defense: Leopold, Suter, Stuart, Komisarek, Whitney, Orpik, Welch, Gleason, Johnson, Lashoff, Macias, Ballard, Tanabe, Hainsey, Jillson, Martin, Hale, Liles, Thelen, Richmond, Wisniewski
Goal: DiPietro, Bacashihua, Montoya, Howard, Schneider
What he said. Semin is an underrated prospect. He outshone Jagr several games last season with his skill.
Defense: United States
Goaltending: United States
Russia has a clear advantage in forwards, it's not even close right now.
The US has better defensmen for sure.
Goaltending isn't even close evein with Bryzgalov for Russia. I see him and Montoya about on par, and DiPietro is WELL ahead of both.
Although I have not seen Parise outside of the World Juniors, I will say that I did not see him come close to the skill I've seen from Semin in the NHL. Semin has already stunned a few NHL defensemen. He's got crazy moves and skating skill, impressive speed, and a knack for coming out of a scrum in the corners with the puck on his stick. His passing is hugely underrated also. Who knows who will eventually be the more valuable player, but putting Semin in the same class as Parise (or even favoring him) is certainly not overrating him.
This Caps fan would take Parise over Semin.
Ed: Not a knock on Semin, I think he'll be a good offensive player. I just really like Parise's game, all facets of it.
Russia is the clear winner up front. The US is the clear winner in goal. I'd give the advantage to the US on defense as they are producing more quality defensemen even though the talent levels are pretty similar IMO (except for Suter).
i don't know why you mention zherdev, but zherdev's twice as sick as semin.
Pshh who needs Ovechkin,the US has Connolly