UPDATE 3/31- NEWSDAY - Coliseum gets $6M for renovation to host Isles

[KevFu]

Elliotte Friedman thinks otherwise

If Long Island had chosen MLS’s New York City FC plan for a soccer stadium, the Islanders would have rocketed to the top of relocation rumours to Houston, Quebec City or Seattle. Now that storyline is dead and buried.

Rumors and actually leaving are two totally different things. We'd have flirted with Houston, Kansas City, Portland, Quebec, Reykjavik and Mozambique to get someone in the New York metro to cave.

 

[Summer Rose]

Rumors and actually leaving are two totally different things. We'd have flirted with Houston, Kansas City, Portland, Quebec, Reykjavik and Mozambique to get someone in the New York metro to cave.

One of these things is not like the other.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Eh i don't think bettman would have allowed that team to move out of the new york market.

The NHL can't block relocation.

Calgary can point to the private financing and say "why do we have to pay but they don't?"

That's a great question. It seems smaller canadian markets will have to pay up to keep up with the big boys.

 

[IceAce]

I'm curious on grounds that the arena being put there is illegal.

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Elmont residents plan lawsuit to stop Belmont arena

so local residents are calling it illegal cause they had no community say on the matter for a project on state own land.

Sort of a baseless claim considering there were two public hearings about it, and they consulted multiple times with local politicians on it, and there was even a website/email setup for public commentary. The EDS bylaws just suggest that they have to consult with local public and solicit commentary which they did.

Any schmuck can walk into a courthouse and file suit, whether they have standing to sue or there claim has merit is a whole other ball of wax.

There's nothing really actionable here, at least not to the point of them obtaining some kind of injunction against the development.

 

[IceAce]

The NHL can't block relocation.

Tell that to Jim Balsillie

 

[Melrose Munch]

Tell that to Jim Balsillie

He didn't own the team. They rejected his ownership.

 

[Steve55]

Islanders arena on tap near Belmont Race Track: Cuomo

Gov. Andrew Cuomo made the announcement at Belmont Race Track with singer Billy Joel; Howard Zemsky, commissioner of the Empire State Development Corp.; and a small group of Islanders fans Wednesday.

“To me today is personal. I grew up in eastern Queens just a few miles from here,” Cuomo said...

The Belmont station will see more regular service compared to current schedules which only make stops during race season.

All seven street-level crossings along the Main Line corridor will be eliminated. These upgrades will be complete without having to acquire any residential properties, while sound walls will be built to minimize the impact on surrounding homes.

“The island is coming back, and that’s why the Islanders are coming back,” Islanders co-owner Jon Ledecky said. “Growing up in Queens, I am excited the Islanders will have a new address in the 11003, Elmont, N.Y.”

 

[MJF]

Islanders arena on tap near Belmont Race Track: Cuomo

Gov. Andrew Cuomo made the announcement at Belmont Race Track with singer Billy Joel; Howard Zemsky, commissioner of the Empire State Development Corp.; and a small group of Islanders fans Wednesday.

“To me today is personal. I grew up in eastern Queens just a few miles from here,” Cuomo said...

The Belmont station will see more regular service compared to current schedules which only make stops during race season.

All seven street-level crossings along the Main Line corridor will be eliminated. These upgrades will be complete without having to acquire any residential properties, while sound walls will be built to minimize the impact on surrounding homes.

“The island is coming back, and that’s why the Islanders are coming back,” Islanders co-owner Jon Ledecky said. “Growing up in Queens, I am excited the Islanders will have a new address in the 11003, Elmont, N.Y.”

That is part of the 3rd Track project and was going to happen regardless of Belmont. All those locations are east of Floral Park.

Between the 3rd Track and East Side Access the LIRR is showing signs of life and forward thinking. Time to tie Belmont into that future.

 

[DaleCooper]

More on LIRR and transportation to the new arena: Who’ll Pay for LIRR Service to the New Islanders Arena?

 

[Fenway]

A dedicated shuttle train from Jamaica can most likely work. All you would need is 2 or 3 trainsets on event days to make it work similar to what Philly uses. Explore a fulltime shuttle to Belmont at other times not unlike what you see NJ Transit does at Princeton.

Things happen slowly in New York. There should have been a Metro North stop at Yankee Stadium decades ago but it only came to pass a few years ago.

New York City is still paying for the flawed vision of Robert Moses.

 

[IceAce]

Editorial: Community input critical at Belmont

Now the work starts in Elmont, Floral Park and other communities around the racetrack. State officials have pledged to establish a community advisory committee. That has to happen quickly both in an official way and an informal one. The coalition that won the bid — the Islanders, Sterling Project Development and the Oak View Group — should have a high profile in the area to help determine the best uses for space in the project allocated to the community, as well as to address concerns like traffic and noise.

 

[IceAce]

He didn't own the team. They rejected his ownership.

Because he wanted to relocate the team.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Because he wanted to relocate the team.

That's still not blocking relocation. That's blocking him from taking ownership to relocate. If an existing owner wants to move his team, not much the NHL can do. The North Stars to Dallas is an example of this.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

That's still not blocking relocation. That's blocking him from taking ownership to relocate. If an existing owner wants to move his team, not much the NHL can do. The North Stars to Dallas is an example of this.

no, MM, there were other factors as to why Green left and what happened to the Met Centre as a result of said move?

 

[MNNumbers]

That's still not blocking relocation. That's blocking him from taking ownership to relocate. If an existing owner wants to move his team, not much the NHL can do. The North Stars to Dallas is an example of this.

no, MM, there were other factors as to why Green left and what happened to the Met Centre as a result of said move?

Hutch, you are actually agreeing with MM.

What MM is saying is that Norm Green wanted to move the North Stars to Dallas. The reason is not important. He wanted to move the team. The NHL couldn't stop him. That's MM's point.

Having been there at the time, I can tell you this....

Under any other owner, there were several years left of valid playing at Met Center. The fans were leaving because they didn't like Green's nature (Minnesotans don't approve or close their eyes to sexual harassment issues, and there were allegations, many of them, there at the time) and the fact that he immediately began threatening the move when his behavior started to be public. The venue was fine, although it would have needed to be replaced well before now had they stayed.

But, if you are insinuating that the relocation happened because of Met Center, and that's why NHL didn't try to stop it, then you are wrong.

 

[LetsGoIslanders]

A dedicated shuttle train from Jamaica can most likely work. All you would need is 2 or 3 trainsets on event days to make it work similar to what Philly uses. Explore a fulltime shuttle to Belmont at other times not unlike what you see NJ Transit does at Princeton.

Things happen slowly in New York. There should have been a Metro North stop at Yankee Stadium decades ago but it only came to pass a few years ago.

New York City is still paying for the flawed vision of Robert Moses.

Moses is vilified because in the years after his death, NYC was a chaotic hellhole. Historians whine about the Cross-Bronx or the BQE ruining communities. Why did they leave? It was white flight. Crime and corruption. That's on the City. Those communities were gone as soon as their children got an education and moved to Long Island, Westchester, or Connecticut. What Moses should be shamed of is not putting multi-lane roads from on Belt and Northern/Southern State as they were doing in Los Angeles, a developing city.

 

[GordonGecko]

Moses is vilified because in the years after his death, NYC was a chaotic hellhole. Historians whine about the Cross-Bronx or the BQE ruining communities. Why did they leave? It was white flight. Crime and corruption. That's on the City. Those communities were gone as soon as their children got an education and moved to Long Island, Westchester, or Connecticut. What Moses should be shamed of is not putting multi-lane roads from on Belt and Northern/Southern State as they were doing in Los Angeles, a developing city.

eh - Moses is vilified because he caused much of that white flight in the first place. He valued urban life at zero and even tried to ram an expressway through Greenwich village. If he has been successful it would have easily turned much of lower manhattan into the Bronx

 

[KevFu]

Exactly. Anyone who says the NY Metro area can't support another arena just doesn't understand the geography or TRAFFIC of this area.

It's incredibly humorous to me that every Islanders Arena thread includes "Isn't it stupid for New York to have ANOTHER Arena? No one is going to be able to fill it..."

I bump this just because right now, the Big Ten Conference is playing their basketball tournament a week early... just so they can play in New York.

 

[Colin226]

It's incredibly humorous to me that every Islanders Arena thread includes "Isn't it stupid for New York to have ANOTHER Arena? No one is going to be able to fill it..."

I bump this just because right now, the Big Ten Conference is playing their basketball tournament a week early... just so they can play in New York.

I’m with you that the area can support another arena, but not with you on your premise. They went out of their way to play at MSG, that wouldn’t happen for Belmont or New Jersey. Brooklyn is a maybe for that and is mainly helped by its proximity to Manhattan, but MSG is the top choice for almost every act/show/event.

The draw isn’t to be able to say “We’re playing in New York”, it’s to say “We’re playing at MSG in the center of Manhattan.”

 

[KevFu]

I’m with you that the area can support another arena, but not with you on your premise. They went out of their way to play at MSG, that wouldn’t happen for Belmont or New Jersey. Brooklyn is a maybe for that and is mainly helped by its proximity to Manhattan, but MSG is the top choice for almost every act/show/event.

The draw isn’t to be able to say “We’re playing in New York”, it’s to say “We’re playing at MSG in the center of Manhattan.”

Oh, totally....

But they'd have taken this upcoming weekend at Barclay's over playing a week early.

But Barclay's is booked with the ACC Tournament. And the ACC didn't just book it, they BOUGHT OUT two years from the Atlantic 10 conference's deal to get in. The ACC is out after this year, and the A-10 goes back for three more years.

I guarantee you the new "Al Arbour Arena" will host a college basketball conference tournament at some point.

 

[Fenway]

State of New York kicks in $6 million to make NVMC NHL ready

Coliseum gets $6M for renovation to host Isles

The operator of NYCB Live’s Nassau Coliseum was awarded a $6 million state grant on Thursday to help fund an $8.5 million project to bring the arena into NHL compliance for future Islanders games.

The Islanders said they will provide the additional $2.5 million to upgrade their former home arena as they proceed toward the opening of their new arena at Belmont Park, which is expected to occur no earlier than 2021.

Brooklyn Sports & Entertainment, which operates the Coliseum and Brooklyn’s Barclays Center, says the Coliseum work will be completed by October so the Islanders can split their schedule during the next three seasons between both arenas.

 

[Kane One]

Pretty ridiculous the state is paying for that.