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If anyone sees any news on camp invites, please post them here.

2 Czech guys who went undrafted who I think we will keep an eye on the next few years, since we seem to be scouting that area heavily, are Jan Kern and Jan Hladonik. Smaller guys (5'9" and 5'10") but they were very productive in the Czech U20 leagues. Kern was also a PPG at the WJC.

Could see them either being a camp invite or a UDFA signing down the line.
 

Rzombo4 prez

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Minulin has awful, awful feet. People need to get past the score sheet sometimes. I would prefer someone like Thilander or even that goalie Dhillon we had at prospects camp last year over Minulin.
 

Martinez

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Minulin has awful, awful feet. People need to get past the score sheet sometimes. I would prefer someone like Thilander or even that goalie Dhillon we had at prospects camp last year over Minulin.
I compare him to XO. Very safe, reliable, high IQ defensemen. The stats do look nice, which shows that he is a good passer. Skating isn't good, gets beat with speed players.
Worth a zero risk contract imo
 

Boomhower

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Oliver Castleman was just a few hours away from being draft eligible next year. Seems to have some decent offensive pop in his rookie OHL season.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=196024

Worth a look.

Not sure you were posting this as news or just throwing out a guy you hoped would get an invite....

But Castleman is coming to Wings Development camp.

https://twitter.com/CVikingsHockey/status/879675069076733952

https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/6/19/15710928/2017-nhl-draft-the-bargain-bin-part-one-red-wings-prospects

Oliver Castleman (#164) - Oliver Castleman may be one of the most underrated prospects in this draft, and I can’t figure out why people aren’t talking about him. He is the youngest player in the draft. Had he been born a day later, he’d only be eligible in 2018. He was 9th in the entire OHL in P1/60 at 5v5 for first-time draft-eligible players. What makes him so intriguing is the fact that he had by far the worst QoT of anybody in the top 10. He was in the bottom half in terms of QoT, and yet he thrived. To put this in perspective, the mean P1/60 for a player that had the same QoT or worse as him was 0.63 P1/60, and he was at 1.98 P1/60. Here are a list of players he had better 5v5 production than, despite having worse quality teammates (and being younger than): Matt Strome, Adam Ruzicka, Jason Robertson, Zach Gallant, Alex Formenton. Did I also mention that his P1/60 pace was better than quite a few of the other players projected to go in the first round, like projected top 2 pick Nolan Patrick, for example?

Very interesting write up (written BEFORE the draft). He appears to be an analytics hero.
Click the link and it continues to go in more details on Castleman being a hidden gem. (scroll down to "other outperformers")
Also some serious analytic trashing of Rasmussen in the article. Good read
 
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Hatter of the Beach

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Not sure you were posting this as news or just throwing out a guy you hoped would get an invite....

But Castleman is coming to Wings Development camp.

https://twitter.com/CVikingsHockey/status/879675069076733952

https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/6/19/15710928/2017-nhl-draft-the-bargain-bin-part-one-red-wings-prospects



Very interesting write up (written BEFORE the draft). He appears to be an analytics hero.
Click the link and it continues to go in more details on Castleman being a hidden gem. (scroll down to "other outperformers")
Also some serious analytic trashing of Rasmussen in the article. Good read


He was brought to my attention to a friend who had said he had heard he was getting an invite.

Hope we give him a contract. I think he could be a steal and would prob be a 2nd-3rd rounder next year if he was just 3 hours older.
 

ChadS

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Are we able to sign any of these players or do they have to go back into the draft?

As far as I know, undrafted CHL guys can be signed for a limited time (before season begins?) but no one else. That's why it's rare to see undrafted Europeans aged 18-22 invited.
 

SirKillalot

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Darren Raddysh?

Sure he played on a good OHL-team, but a lot of different sites praise him for his abilities and not just because of riding along on a solid team.
 

Outl4w

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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=187102

North Bay's Justin Brazeau gets an invite.
6'5" right winger



https://www.nhl.com/news/golden-knights-prospect-takes-unconventional-route-to-vegas/c-290214022

Interesting story here.
we were aggressively pursuing camp invites the second after our last draft pick.
Of course we confused the kid.... because Ferguson ended up getting drafted.

I would take a flyer on him just based on his size. You can coach some skill/grit and try to convert him into a 3rd/4th line player.
 

Outl4w

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Vladimir Kuznetsov (unranked) - In my opinion, the best overaged player in this sample. He is not even ranked on NHL CSS, but was 2nd only to Vitalii Abramov for a player his age in scoring in the QMJHL this year (and yes, this is including 2016 3rd overall pick Pierre Luc-Dubois). Why he was passed on last year is beyond me, but I don’t think teams should be making the same mistake again.

I think we need to take a flyer on this guy and start the russian connection again.
 

Rzombo4 prez

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Vladimir Kuznetsov (unranked) - In my opinion, the best overaged player in this sample. He is not even ranked on NHL CSS, but was 2nd only to Vitalii Abramov for a player his age in scoring in the QMJHL this year (and yes, this is including 2016 3rd overall pick Pierre Luc-Dubois). Why he was passed on last year is beyond me, but I don’t think teams should be making the same mistake again.

I think we need to take a flyer on this guy and start the russian connection again.

Just signed in the KHL I believe
 

Hatter of the Beach

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Vladimir Kuznetsov (unranked) - In my opinion, the best overaged player in this sample. He is not even ranked on NHL CSS, but was 2nd only to Vitalii Abramov for a player his age in scoring in the QMJHL this year (and yes, this is including 2016 3rd overall pick Pierre Luc-Dubois). Why he was passed on last year is beyond me, but I don’t think teams should be making the same mistake again.

I think we need to take a flyer on this guy and start the russian connection again.

He outscored Dubois because Dubois played 20 less games
 

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