Shouldn’t be 10-10. If those things are deemed equal (sub attempts vs flailing) then it goes to control time. Round goes to Islam.That's not really enough for me. I don't think he did much of all from that position. Tell him to do more or stand them up.
I see both sides of your guys argument. Very minor damage vs control/subs is pretty tough to judge. Those are the rounds that should be 10-10 and let the other rounds decide it. I know that isn't the rules, but IMO it should be
Shouldn’t be 10-10. If those things are deemed equal (sub attempts vs flailing) then it goes to control time. Round goes to Islam.
Shouldn’t be 10-10. If those things are deemed equal (sub attempts vs flailing) then it goes to control time. Round goes to Islam.
I’m dismissive of those strikes because fighters are dismissive of those strikes. They’re not damage. They’re not significant.You continue to be dismissive of those strikes, but many of them landed clean
So, flailing or not, Volk was repeatedly punching Islam in the face
Objection! That's pure conjecture!I’m dismissive of those strikes because fighters are dismissive of those strikes. They’re not damage. They’re not significant.
I thought you agreed to disagree!
Objection! That's pure conjecture!
I shared a video of a fighter being dismissive of "control time"
Where's your supporting evidence?
A guy that’s actually taken judging courses. This is why he gave Islam round 4 (as did every sane person)
Now you gonna stick to the agree to disagree or not lol
SHOTS THROWN LIKE THAT DO NOT DO DAMAGE AND SHOULD MORE OR LESS BE TOSSED OUT WHEN JUDGING. You can either agree or disagree, but they actually teach the judges that those are basically nothing.
Because they are. They’re nothing.
I’m saying they’re dismissive of them because they don’t count and then I showed you what they teach in judging- THAT THEY DONT COUNT. I’ve seen fighters intentionally trying to throw their foreheads at those p***y strikes to try and break the flailers hand. Those. Shots. Don’t. Do. Damage. No amount of mental gymnastics you do will change that. Also islam landed better strikes before hitting the ground.As @m9 said, it's more about a flaw in the scoring system
And your post does nothing to prove your previous assertion that "fighters are dismissive of those strikes"
I’m saying they’re dismissive of them because they don’t count and then I showed you what they teach in judging- THAT THEY DONT COUNT. I’ve seen fighters intentionally trying to throw their foreheads at those p***y strikes to try and break the flailers hand. Those. Shots. Don’t. Do. Damage. No amount of mental gymnastics you do will change that. Also islam landed better strikes before hitting the ground.
I’m done with this discussion, its actively making me stupider.
Both. They are scored the way they are because THEY DONT DO DAMAGE. That’s all I got, I think we’ve made our points plenty clear.Save the drama for your mama
I thought you were saying fighters were dismissive of those strikes because they didn't hurt, not because of how they were being scored
Granted I can only see half of this argument, but who won R4 isn't even worth discussing. Striking was basically nonexistent and 1 guy had a dominant grappling position. Case closed.
The more interesting discussion IMO is whether the ref should have stood them up. I hesitantly say 'yes'. I'm hesitant because I'm afraid the pendulum would swing too far the other way like the scoring system. Guys were stealing rounds because they got a takedown in the last 10 seconds. Ridiculous. But this damage is all that counts is also not right IMO. Getting a takedown is significant. Control time is significant. Getting to a dominant positions like the back with a full body triangle is significant. I just wouldn't want it to turn into "well, it's been 30 seconds and you haven't submitted him yet, so let's get back to the feet." I also don't like the idea of the guy being defensive stalling it out expecting the ref to stand them up. That guy should have to try to get out of that position, too.
In this case, I do think Islam was the one stalling, though, and it went on for several minutes. I think he should have been warned and eventually stood up if all he was doing was hanging on still.