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yianik said:All the points you make are true, but for LA it has to be all about gunning for the Cup this year and what Markov will add to their chances for a Cup now. Not what he does next year or how many good years he has left etc because for one thing they have no idea whether he will resign.
Look i'm habs fan too, but the best way to get most out of this trade, is to guage how many teams are actually interested in Markov. What this means is a team that needs a PMD/QB PP and is gunning for the cup.
Only after that you can start estimating his value...i would be happy with a 1st (late) + very good prospect OR a 2nd + an excellent/can't miss prospect.
One need only look at the Las Vegas odds against the Habs winning the SC to know that is not happening, without ref help or food poisoning, IMHO.
That leaves getting help for future teams, IMHO, prospects or draft choices are the best bets. No team gunning for the SC is going to trade away Toffoli, that is dreaming, IMHO. Possibly getting Pearson and Vey, along with their 1st, could be viable and very helpful to the Habs depth at forward until Collberg, DLR, Hudon or Lehkonen are ready, DLR representing the best in that regard IMHO.
Playing for the Habs will be a positive when our latest draft picks, McCarron & Crisp along with Tinordi & Beaulieu are regulars. Then the Collberg, Hudon & Lehkonen types can flourish, only when players of elite talent have linemates that can provide room(protection from goons) will star types be attracted to playing for the Habs.
When the Habs have these players, playing regularly with our core group, adding the playmaking of Collberg & Lehkonen can push them to a SC win and not before IMHO.
The blueprints of the last ten SC winners spell out the need for character types with scoring ability, when the fans stop trying to predict ** a player} that can do this, then the GM can do what has to be done, not before.
So, will we need to deal one of our defensive prospects ?
These are always fun:
Habs new lineup looks like this:
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Smith-Pelly
Galchenyuk - Stastny - Gallagher
Prust - Plekanec - Briere
Bournival - White - Weise
Moen
Gorges - Subban
Beaulieu - Greene
Emelin - Pateryn
I know that still leaves Eller out of the lineup, but I'd try and deal him for either picks or prospects, or hold on to him and deal a veteran at the trade deadline....Either way his play has dropped off significantly.
Statsny would be great second line center and would open up space for Galchenyuk to work some magic while Gallagher does the grunt work. Smith-Pelly gives the team a big right handed forward that should be able to find some chemistry with Pacioretty and Desharnais.... Most of all you'd have more size and talent in your top 6, with a very solid third line that can score and play the shutdown role.
I think if you bring in Stastny he'll play on a line with Pacioretty and DD would be the odd man out not Eller.
Also, why would you put a marginal NHL player on your 1st line and the Markov trade is terrible, we need more then that for him.
Fair Enough.
I don't think Desharnais will ever be the odd man out in Montreal. If his last name was Smith than yes you're right.
I think Smith-Pelly is going to be a good talent, and that he would thrive on a line with Desharnais/Pacioretty. He would be a young, right handed big body that can score and drop the gloves from time to time.
I don't think you're going to get much more than a first and a prospect for Markov. I just don't see the market being there for his services and the fact that he isn't young anymore.
I still think that the habs are a work in progress (for too many years now!) Trading Andrei Markov maybe yes, maybe no, why? If you trade him and do not make the playoffs it wil be a catastrophy here in MTL independently of whatever you have received in exchange, if you keep him and he brings you in the playoffs the money you make in a few playoffs game pay his salary for next year so???? And you never know what can happen in the playoffs, the real question is, as far as i am concern, does Andrei Markov still wants to play in MTL taking back seat to PK & Beaulieu in a year or two at the most that is the real question!
Don't know if this was already discussed or not, but today on Twitter I seen that there are rumors of a possible PA Parenteau deal with montreal. Involving a Defenseman or Briere + a draft pick. I think it'd be a good deal if it were Briere and nothing more than a 3rd Rounder. What do you guys think of a deal like this?
These are always fun:
The Habs biggest concerns are size in the top 6, and specifically on the right wing. Our Right Wingers include - Gionta, Gallagher, (sometimes Briere), Bourque, etc.... Bourque is the only one with good size and he's not a top 6 player. Gallagher and Gionta are both heart and soul players but one of those guys is making way too much money for his production.... I hope he walks as a UFA. If you could move Briere or Bourque - preferably Briere - in exchange for Hemsky, and let Hemsky go, you would free up some much needed cash for the off season moves that need to be made. Than you also have to figure out if you're dealing Andrei Markov or not...
In the Offseason:
Subban is coming into a huge raise.
Dale Weise and Ryan White will require minor raises.
Does Murray come back on the defense?
As a hypothetical I'd probably look at something like this if were running the show:
Trade Number One:
To Anaheim Ducks: Andrei Markov
To Montreal Canadiens: Devante Smith-Pelly, 2014 1st Round Pick
Trade Number Two:
To Edmonton Oilers: Rene Bourque, 3rd Round Pick
To Montreal Canadiens: Ales Hemsky
Off Season UFA Signings:
Paul Stastny (UFA Center)
Matt Greene (UFA Defenseman)
Habs new lineup looks like this:
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Smith-Pelly
Galchenyuk - Stastny - Gallagher
Prust - Plekanec - Briere
Bournival - White - Weise
Moen
Gorges - Subban
Beaulieu - Greene
Emelin - Pateryn
I know that still leaves Eller out of the lineup, but I'd try and deal him for either picks or prospects, or hold on to him and deal a veteran at the trade deadline....Either way his play has dropped off significantly.
Statsny would be great second line center and would open up space for Galchenyuk to work some magic while Gallagher does the grunt work. Smith-Pelly gives the team a big right handed forward that should be able to find some chemistry with Pacioretty and Desharnais.... Most of all you'd have more size and talent in your top 6, with a very solid third line that can score and play the shutdown role.
I would do Parenteau-Briere straight up, no way I add a draft pick. Colorado is trying to dump him, keep the picks.
I hate the Markov trade. If that's the best you can do sign him for 2-3 years instead of having a trainwreck 2nd pair of Beaulieu and Greene. That's a recipe for disaster, Greene was never great, now he has declined since injury, he wouldn't be any better than Murray...who is now #6.
We already have a great #2 center in Plekanec, would make zero sense to dump a pile of money and term into Stastny. The one thing we need at center is for Eller to wake the f$%$% up.
If Markov is traded, Bergevin better have a plan going forward. Someone that can play top minutes. He will have no choice to go via UFA or make a big trade at the draft. If they feel Markov can't give us 2-3 more years then I'm fine with dealing him, but they better replace him or we are going to be in deep ****
As for the Anaheim trade, it would be better if we would ask for the Sens 1st rounder since they own it( Bobby Ryan trade )
If Markov is traded, Bergevin better have a plan going forward. Someone that can play top minutes. He will have no choice to go via UFA or make a big trade at the draft. If they feel Markov can't give us 2-3 more years then I'm fine with dealing him, but they better replace him or we are going to be in deep ****
As for the Anaheim trade, it would be better if we would ask for the Sens 1st rounder since they own it( Bobby Ryan trade )
Given the Canucks wanting to retool, if our pro scouts still think Edler is still a top 2 d-man then we could offer them Gorges and a prospect/ pick or two. That way we would have two top guys that could eat big minutes and if Markov was moved we wouldn't be as desperate to get as high a quality top 4 guy to make up for his loss. Though the better the player the stronger the D.
He's looked terrible this year. Plus it would be plugging one hole and opening up another, you'd still be missing a 22 minute guy for Gorges minutes.
You nailed it right there.
You can't replace Mrakov's 22-23 minutes internally for the next 100 or so games. Maybe if they kept Diaz, but Subban and Gorges already paly big minutes, Emelin is already around 20, Beaulieu, Murray Drewiske and Bouillon should not be playing 20+ minutes, Beaulieu should eventually but I would not count on him in a big role this year or next.