Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 73 (Final Countdown)

[Wats]

word is Gorton won't touch Kravtsov with a 10 foot pole.

Really? Any reason why?

 

[Riggins]

Rangers I want your 2023 1st unprotected for Lehkonen, pony up!

 

[Wats]

I feel like some of you don't realize the extra two years at 1.5 mil followed by RFA status are what added the second first to the deal. If Jake Evans suddenly became a 60 point forward he would get that return.

He'd probably get more since he's a C.

 

[Ezpz]

He'd probably get more since he's a C.

Guess we need to sneak steroids into his breakfast.

 

[26Mats]

Really? Any reason why?

what he saw when he had him in New York

 

[Wats]

Well since it's too soon to talk about 19-21, the bullsquat mostly goes to the terrible 2016, 2017 and 2018. Yet, that terrible 2016 just made it possible to acquire Hagel. And as bad as 2016 looks, Howden, picked 27 is the 19th best scored of that draft. What an overall bad draft year.

Plus Howden was good enough to tempt Rangers to trade them Miller and McDonagh. They were good enough scouting wise to feel that it's worth giving him up.

 

[covfefe]

Why are people using the returns for expiring rental players at 50% retained, and 23 year old forwards on pace for 30 goals signed for 2 more years at 1.5M as a reason to keep bitching about the Toffoli return lmao, they're not remotely comparable situations at all. They're different trade markets entirely due to the cap flexibility inherent to Chariot/Hagel vs Toffoli.

These trades do not mean we could have got more for Toffoli today without retaining. Rentals or players on ultra cheap contracts are valuable mid season because you can add them to the lineup without causing any future headaches or decisions. 4.25M for Toffoli is not a big number, but the teams like Florida and Tampa Bay that are throwing 1sts around like candy right now are unable to add him without forcing themselves to do a bunch of other moves to make it work in the long term. They are not comparable trades,

There just seems to be this unfounded belief that by virtue of waiting another month the price on Toffoli would have skyrocketed. It makes no real sense to me, Florida or Tampa would not be interested unless we retained (which reduces the value of the overall package for us even if we got more assets back), and it's possible Calgary would have gone in another direction instead. Yes, perhaps we could have got an additional 4th or something but these trades do not indicate whatsoever that the Habs could have done dramatically better just by waiting another few weeks to move Toffoli.

Good post. I'd add that if we want to moan about something w/r/t to Hagel, we'd be smart to remember this:

 

[Runner77]

Good lord what the f***ck is Tampa doing?

Setting the market for third line players.

 

[MrNasty]

Our Bergevin-led eagle-eyed scouting staff overlooked Hagel? How grand.

all 31 teams did, 5 times each in 2016 and 7 times each in 2018 after Buffalo gave up on him.
Wasn't signed til halfway through a season in Red Deer when he started to show something.

 

[Runner77]

Good lord what the f***ck is Tampa doing?

I just found out that « Hagel » is not the German word for « haggle ».