Tournament wrap-up

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  1. teme

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    Good
    Thight games, very few blow-outs here.
    Scoring.
    The Czech team playing out of this world offence. Not to take anything away from Canada, but when they finally showed up they were the best team IMO.
    Team Canada refusing to loose.
    Finns fighting spirit.
    Germans putting up a solid effort in QFs
    Sakic, Modin, Elias, Ruutu, Jokinen, Lemieux, Timonen...
    No serious injuries.


    Bad
    Refs. Here's a cost cut idea: if they are not going to call anything why have them in the ice in the first place? Case in point, the finals. Two penalties, both clear obstuction calls and totally out of line with what was not called. What does that tell you about the line?
    Niinimaa/Summanen mess. Full post-mortem to follow.
    Bad ice in most European venues.
    Chelios, Tkachuk lack of class.
    All of the players who didn't show up.
    Add breaks. If we have to have commercials inside period, why not just one slightly longer break where Zamboni can redo the ice.
    The trophy.
    The retarted bureaucratic decision of not allowing Karalahti to play.
     

  2. Something I've noticed, is that when they call a lot of penalties, people say they need to let the teams play. Hypocritically, when they let the teams battle it out, they need to call more penalties.

    Somebody always has to complain I guess.


    I heard the complaints about bad ice, but we can't have intermissions during periods.

    I'm sure you being Finnish has nothing to do with your opinion here, but Karalahti is under suspension in the NHL. It only makes sense that he cannot play in an NHL-sanctioned event.
     
  3. stv11

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    There is a middle ground between calling no penalties and calling a lot of penalties. Take a look at some world championnsips games and you'll see a referee trying to turn a hockey game into a power play contest, that's just as bas as what happened in the NHL.
     
  4. teme

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    I tried to post both good and bad, but anyone seems to agree on good parts, so....

    I am not going to take responsibility for comments of people who hate clutch and grab while arguing for "letting them play". Some fans want a hard fought game. Others prefer something that doesn't look like a wrestling match. I refuse to believe that these are mutually incompatible.

    I don't know how long it takes for Zamboni to do the rounds, but if it is less than five minutes it is basicly a long ad break.

    Personally, I couldn't care less about what players do off-ice whether they are Finnish, Canadian or Chinese... However, the point I was trying to make is that it was argued that this is a different situation then when he was suspended, and NHL reply "but he is suspended" is a retarted bureaucratic non-answer. Right or wrong, it was handled very badly.
     
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    I think everyone knew going in that this tournament, love it or hate it, would be officiated like the NHL playoffs. Maybe not enough was called, but then in the World Championships maybe they call too many penalties. Nothing is perfect. From most of what I read, the players did not seem to be complaining about it.
     
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    That kind of hockey means that the refs don't decide the game, and in important games like the WCHF you don't want the refs to decide the games.


    I'm not even going to comment on this one.


    You don't understand that he was suspended by the NHL do you? In order for him to play in the WCH he would of had to have permission from the National Hockey League because the World Cup of Hockey is played in the NHL format. That's exactly why Wayne Gretzky didn't select Todd Bertuzzi for Team Canada, because he's suspended. :shakehead
     
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    I agree with a lot of what you said, but I take exception to that point. Did the Czechs play a better game than Canada in the semis? You bet! Are they a better team? No way! Cripes, the 11th best forward on the Maple Leafs is their Captain!!!

    If you use the one game logic, then Keith Tzachuk is the best player in the universe.

    Overall the best thing about the tourney was that every country there was hungry to win - except maybe the States in that Finn game (what the hell was that?!?).

    The worst thing was the lack of real memorable moments. Other than Vinny's goal, Ruutu's goal and Kovalev undressing Amonte playing defence, there wasn't much that will stick with me 10 years from now.

    BTW, I think I saw the trophy in a recycling bin outside the ACC... :shakehead
     
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    That's not how it works in North America. From what I understand, Europe have very few commercials in between shows. In North America, commercials comes every 15 minutes or so if I'm not wrong. The commercials are indeed too long though. I remember when I was younger, there was only one commercial everytime there was a break and the play dictated the time of the commercials. Today, it's the reverse. The long commercials started to appear when the NHL oblidged to American networks demands.
     
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    Chelios and Tkachuk? Oh, you mean the "spitting incident" that was never quite substantiated, and was not reported on by any major news source, including TSN? Yeah, that was a big downer. :shakehead
     
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  10. chicpea*

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    How about Tkachuk leading the tourny in PIM? Mostly stemming from his various viscious blows to the head, from behind.:shakehead

    http://www.wch2004.com/stats/2004/players/pimLdrs.html
     
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    Something tells me that teme wasn't referring to that, but keep grasping at straws.
     
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    If a player trips an opponent it is his decision. The ref just calls it.

    I said that NHL should've considered whether his suspension is valid under the circumstances. You reply he would've needed NHL permision to play. What exactly do we disagree on?
     
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    Major news source? Meaning major Canadian or US news source, eh? It was reported in a major news source in Finland with direct comments from Nieminen.
     
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    never trust what that little punk Nieminen says.
     
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    Never trust to the US media.
     
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    Show me where he said Tkachuk spit on him.
     
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    Yeah, I would like to know too...
     
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    Being Captain does not mean being the best player on the ice... Who cares if he´s the 11 th offensive player of Totonto?! He always was an important player to the Czech team. A true leader. And that´s what counts... Even though his international days are over - everybody could see that.

    You´re logic is quite wierd. You admit that the Czech team was better in the semis but the Canadians are the better team. When else then in face-to-face conrontation can you see which team is better...And in that semifinal game team Canda were luckier and had fantastic Luongo on their side. THAT was the only thing Canada was better in.
     
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    How is my logic "wierd"? I admitted Canada had a crappy game - Czechs were all over us.
    You've got to remember 2 things: 1) any team can have an off-game, and 2) even though the Czechs played the game of their lives, with nothing to lose btw, CANADA STILL WON! Last time I checked, results matter.

    If I use your logic, then Canada won the gold medal in '98 (we slaughtered the Czechs, but couldn't beat Hasek).

    In this tourney, Canada went 6-0, and never trailed in a game. They dominated almost every period of the tourney.

    They carried that ugly lamp they call a trophy around the ice. They are the best team! :bow:
     
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    Not only your logic but your memory is bad either. The only time Canada really pinned the Czechs in 98 were the final minutes of the 3rd period and overtime. I certainly would not call that domination. And slaughter? Now that´s a good one :joker: But I do understand... bad memories have a tendency to disappear real fast. Maybe in a years time I might find out we did not stand a chance against the Candians in the WC 04. Outplayed, outshot and slaughtered in the end :lol
     
  21. Whether or not Keith spit on him doesn't change the fact that Tkachuk was the dirtiest player of the tournament.
     
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    I think throwing elbows is a little differant than spitting on your opponent, but that's me. But hey, you'd probably be singing a differant tune if it was Joe Thornton or some other Canadian cherub grinding it out, right?
     
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  23. Joe Thornton didn't smoke two guys from behind blatently.
     
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    But that's not what happened.
     
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    Please detail what happened with sources.
     
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