Confirmed with Link: [TOR/COL] Nazem Kadri, Calle Rosen for Tyson Barrie (50% retain), Alex Kerfoot trade (continued)

[BorntoLose]

ive liked Kerfoots game lately brings a lot of speed on the forecheck and carries the puck well. everyone knew Naz would excel in his role in Colorado im happy for him

 

[Pookie]

Kadri vs Kerfoot so far this season:

Name	CF%	D zone start%	PP Points	EV Points
Kerfoot	57.7	54.8	1	3
Kadri	50%	55.6	2	2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Similar stats. Kerfoot has more GP, but also less quality PP time. Kadri is producing better per game and looks like he will put up 10-15 points more, but part of that comes from PP opportunity.

To me they seem like pretty even players. Kadri will score more goals and has more to offer offensively, but Kerfoot can kill penalties, is younger and cheaper, and is only a slight downgrade offensively.

Similar stats but the cap space allowed the offseason to happen.

In terms of performance in 82 games... meh.

In terms of performance in the postseason, Kerfoot has a really, really low bar

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Kerfoot: 54.2 cf% | 66.7 gf% | 55.1 xgf% | 4 5v5 points
Kadri: 43 cf% | 60 gf% | 41.9 xgf% | 3 5v5 points

it's hard to believe Kerfoot is cheaper and younger too

 

[Pookie]

Kerfoot: 54.2 cf% | 66.7 gf% | 55.1 xgf% | 4 5v5 points
Kadri: 43 cf% | 60 gf% | 41.9 xgf% | 3 5v5 points

it's hard to believe Kerfoot is cheaper and younger too

It’s really not hard to believe.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

It’s really not hard to believe.

Welcome back to HFBoards Pookie

 

[seanlinden]

Without knowing if Barrie signs etc.

Would you undue the Kadri trade?

Honestly... it's a very good question.

As another poster mentioned, if you have the hindsight / foresight of being able to get Shattenkirk for $2m and have him rebound... then yeah, there was probably a better alternative out there. Either keep Kadri or do a deal around Kerfoot and something else. Maybe make the change up front by changing Nylander.

That being said, I think most would agree that it would be foolish for the Leafs to go deep into July with a defensive core of Rielly, Muzzin, Dermott, and Zaitsev/Ceci. The reality is, the Leafs needed an upgrade on D. Barrie is/would have been viewed as the 2nd best defenceman to change hands this offseason (after Subban), and by far the best with a cap hit that the Leafs could manage. Plus, he & Muzzin should be a great fit together over the long run.

I guess... in a way... it was the obvious, low-risk move to make. Dubas didn't swing for the fences. He didn't lose any of his young guns, he got the best reasonably affordable defenceman out there, using a guy that he could justify as having to trade. Because we don't know what other defencemen may have been out there (as not many changed hands), it's a permanently justifyable move, if he's answering for his job at the end of the season.

 

[Boutette]

Here's some more interesting stats so far this year:

GOAT 2G 1A (ES) 72min 49.6 GF 9.8% OZstarts 70% FW
Kadri 1G 0A (ES) 83min 50 CF 44% OZstarts 58% FW

Even Gauthier seems to have started the year significantly better than Kadri.

 

[kb]

Here's some more interesting stats so far this year:

GOAT 2G 1A (ES) 72min 49.6 GF 9.8% OZstarts 70% FW
Kadri 1G 0A (ES) 83min 50 CF 44% OZstarts 58% FW

Even Gauthier seems to have started the year significantly better than Kadri.

Now do Marner! (5 on 5)

Just being cheeky.

Kerfoot is much quicker than I thought. Pretty cerebral player as well. Pleasantly surprised. He's not intimidated either.

 

[Antropovsky]

Here's some more interesting stats so far this year:

GOAT 2G 1A (ES) 72min 49.6 GF 9.8% OZstarts 70% FW
Kadri 1G 0A (ES) 83min 50 CF 44% OZstarts 58% FW

Even Gauthier seems to have started the year significantly better than Kadri.

Where art all the Barrie Vs Kadri talk.

all this Kerfoot VS Kadri talk. You would think that Kerfoot was not a throw in center that Dubas demanded to any team that was interested in Kadri.

 

[Boutette]

Now do Marner! (5 on 5)

Just being cheeky.

Kerfoot is much quicker than I thought. Pretty cerebral player as well. Pleasantly surprised. He's not intimidated either.

As expected he does have amazing positioning and more often than not, good luck. Paradoxically, this was seen as a bad thing to Avs fans. As for Marner, he's got 11 pts so far this year. Not worried about him.

 

[Boutette]

Where art all the Barrie Vs Kadri talk.

all this Kerfoot VS Kadri talk. You would think that Kerfoot was not a throw in center that Dubas demanded to any team that was interested in Kadri.

Who is this Barrie guy you speak of? Wasn't he just there to be a plugin with sending away Rosen and to give Liljigren a year to finish developing?

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Here's some more interesting stats so far this year:

GOAT 2G 1A (ES) 72min 49.6 GF 9.8% OZstarts 70% FW
Kadri 1G 0A (ES) 83min 50 CF 44% OZstarts 58% FW

Even Gauthier seems to have started the year significantly better than Kadri.

Don't think your Kadri numbers are totally accurate.

Kadri has 2 goals and 1 assist (3 points) at Even-Strength, and 5 points overall in 8 games.

As for comparing him to Gauthier: Gauthier has a better points/60 than Marner at even-strength . Not the best comparisons to make IMO.

 

[kb]

Don't think your Kadri numbers are totally accurate.

Kadri has 2 goals and 1 assist (3 points) at Even-Strength, and 5 points overall in 8 games.

As for comparing him to Gauthier: Gauthier has a better points/60 than Marner at even-strength . Not the best comparisons to make IMO.

Pretty much the entire roster does (for 5v5). That's how bizarre this season has been.

 

[Koolboss]

Here's some more interesting stats so far this year:

GOAT 2G 1A (ES) 72min 49.6 GF 9.8% OZstarts 70% FW
Kadri 1G 0A (ES) 83min 50 CF 44% OZstarts 58% FW

Even Gauthier seems to have started the year significantly better than Kadri.

So glad Kadri got traded, hope you're being sarcastic with Gauthier comparison

 

[Pookie]

Here's some more interesting stats so far this year:

GOAT 2G 1A (ES) 72min 49.6 GF 9.8% OZstarts 70% FW
Kadri 1G 0A (ES) 83min 50 CF 44% OZstarts 58% FW

Even Gauthier seems to have started the year significantly better than Kadri.

I liked the trade. It was necessary.

However, this comparison is not fair to either player

1. Corsi is a junk stat. Only a weak correlation at best to winning

2. Points are fine to compare but they don’t play the same opponents

I expect Kadri to end the season with more points. And more points than he had last year. He’s still good.

In the end, Dubas did his job to find a lower cost, role playing 3C who is more likely to be on the ice in the playoffs.

That measure and that measure alone is all that is needed.

 

[Funk21]

Stats in any short window can be misleading. It’s what happens overall in the full 82 to get picture. I don't think it hurts that Kerfoot is playing with Mikheyev to maybe him look more attractive. That is what depth in the lineup will do. He has been good but his D at time is meh then again so has most of our forwards.

We are certainly missing some toughness and difficulty to play against but Kadri place with us could be justified anymore after the past two post seasons.

The fact that we now have both Barrie and Kerfoot instead of Kadri who had to go IMO is a solid movie we will ultimately judge the trade by our post season performance.

 

[Boutette]

I liked the trade. It was necessary.

However, this comparison is not fair to either player

1. Corsi is a junk stat. Only a weak correlation at best to winning

2. Points are fine to compare but they don’t play the same opponents

I expect Kadri to end the season with more points. And more points than he had last year. He’s still good.

In the end, Dubas did his job to find a lower cost, role playing 3C who is more likely to be on the ice in the playoffs.

That measure and that measure alone is all that is needed.

Sure Kadri will get more points. He plays shitloads of PP. But more than last year? Unlikely. Will likely end up with the same number of ES points as GOAT. Were you not watching last night? GOAT took DZone minutes against Boston's top line. Not even Kadri is expected to pull that most of the time as his job.

 

[Pookie]

Sure Kadri will get more points. He plays ****loads of PP. But more than last year? Unlikely. Will likely end up with the same number of ES points as GOAT. Were you not watching last night? GOAT took DZone minutes against Boston's top line. Not even Kadri is expected to pull that most of the time as his job.

Kadri was used as a shut down guy at times but he doesn’t excel at it.