Confirmed with Link: [TOR/BOS] #213 (C Ryan Tverberg) from Boston for 2021 7th Round Pick 5'11", 174 lbs

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Ryan Tverberg at eliteprospects.com

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[TribalPhoenix]

Surprised we take Tverberg over a guy like Valade.

I watched them both in Bantam, MM, OJHL and OHL while scouting. Valade the superior player, but it looks like they're going for control as Tverberg makes his way to the NCAA.

 

[Warden of the North]

Surprised we take Tverberg over a guy like Valade.

I watched them both in Bantam, MM, OJHL and OHL while scouting. Valade the superior player, but it looks like they're going for control as Tverberg makes his way to the NCAA.

It's the 7th round. nothing at all is surprising about it.

 

[TribalPhoenix]

It's the 7th round. nothing at all is surprising about it.

Unless you've actually watched the players play... extensively...

 

[justashadowof]

Well, they drafted a second Canadian player from Toronto of Swedish descent.

Could we stop pretending this "years of control" is so important for draft picks? Whether NCAA or European, it's almost always abundantly clear whether a player is worth a contract within a year or two of being picked. And it's not like there's a trade off if a pick doesn't join the NA pro ranks until he's 23, the team only gets 4 years before unrestricted free agency.

 

[Leafs87]

So no one can say we didn’t trade an Ontario kid

 

[TribalPhoenix]

Well, they drafted a second Canadian player from Toronto of Swedish descent.

Could we stop pretending this "years of control" is so important for draft picks? Whether NCAA or European, it's almost always abundantly clear whether a player is worth a contract within a year or two of being picked. And it's not like there's a trade off if a pick doesn't join the NA pro ranks until he's 23, the team only gets 4 years before unrestricted free agency.

It actually does have its hand in choosing who to draft, believe it or not. You control player rights for a longer period of time, and thus give them a longer development curve. It also plays a big role as to if kids want to pursue the major junior route vs. the NCAA route.

 

[showtime8]

Well, they drafted a second Canadian player from Toronto of Swedish descent.

Could we stop pretending this "years of control" is so important for draft picks? Whether NCAA or European, it's almost always abundantly clear whether a player is worth a contract within a year or two of being picked. And it's not like there's a trade off if a pick doesn't join the NA pro ranks until he's 23, the team only gets 4 years before unrestricted free agency.

Years of control is actually a huge factor for this Leafs team.

With the way they have structured their contracts, it allows players to take time and not take up one of 50 spots on the roster and take advantage of league minimum deals in the future.

On the current roster, you have Pierre Engvall and Andreas Johnsson both drafted in the 7th round. Take the 4-5 years and then come in to make an impact.

 

[ULF_55]

Well, they drafted a second Canadian player from Toronto of Swedish descent.

Could we stop pretending this "years of control" is so important for draft picks? Whether NCAA or European, it's almost always abundantly clear whether a player is worth a contract within a year or two of being picked. And it's not like there's a trade off if a pick doesn't join the NA pro ranks until he's 23, the team only gets 4 years before unrestricted free agency.

Johnny Gaudreau Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

It does happen.

 

[justashadowof]

It actually does have its hand in choosing who to draft, believe it or not. You control player rights for a longer period of time, and thus give them a longer development curve. It also plays a big role as to if kids want to pursue the major junior route vs. the NCAA route.

Pure fluff. The draft is a dice roll. Each team attempts to project which teenagers mature into a quality pro athlete physically and mentally. It's largely deterministic based on ability and character. Who is on track to this or not is pretty much clear by most prospects' 21st birthday.

 

[justashadowof]

Johnny Gaudreau Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

It does happen.

Johnny Gaudreau was 20 when he played his first NHL game.

 

[ULF_55]

Johnny Gaudreau was 20 when he played his first NHL game.

drafted in 2011 played 2014.

Played 3 years NCAA after being drafted.

 

[TribalPhoenix]

Pure fluff. The draft is a dice roll. Each team attempts to project which teenagers mature into a quality pro athlete physically and mentally. It's largely deterministic based on ability and character. Who is on track to this or not is pretty much clear by most prospects' 21st birthday.

Attempt to, and often fail. Just like every single team that drafts.

And no, it's not largely deterministic on any one or two qualities. That's a fan perspective. Not a hockey perspective.

 

[613Leafer]

drafted in 2011 played 2014.

Played 3 years NCAA after being drafted.

Yes, but he was good enough after the first year to warrant an ELC. So had he been in the CHL, he would have signed his ELC after a year. The 4 years of control thing would have been irrelevant for Gaudreau had he been in the CHL.

NCAA you can't sign them until they choose to leave school and go pro.

 

[ULF_55]

Yes, but he was good enough after the first year to warrant an ELC. So had he been in the CHL, he would have signed his ELC after a year. The 4 years of control thing would have been irrelevant for Gaudreau had he been in the CHL.

NCAA you can't sign them until they choose to leave school and go pro.

it is 2020
let's check back in 2022, unless you have a time machine?

panic in 2023, just enjoy the next 2.5 years.

 

[613Leafer]

it is 2020
let's check back in 2022, unless you have a time machine?

panic in 2023, just enjoy the next 2.5 years.

I'm saying that I'm not worried about years of control.. how is not worrying about something the equivalent of panicking?

 

[Dreakmur]

Yeah, they don’t have to be signed for 4 years, but aren’t they UFA if they choose not to sign at that point?

 

[kb]

Years of control is actually a huge factor for this Leafs team.

With the way they have structured their contracts, it allows players to take time and not take up one of 50 spots on the roster and take advantage of league minimum deals in the future.

On the current roster, you have Pierre Engvall and Andreas Johnsson both drafted in the 7th round. Take the 4-5 years and then come in to make an impact.

A new inefficiency? The high school drafts/first year Uni and Europeans give the Leafs 4 years of control before making a decision, and with the Russians it's indeterminate. So the goalie could theoretically come over at say 24 and just take over.

Interesting.....especially since it looks like there may not be much or any of a junior season now.

 

[Ciao]

I noticed the Leafs drafted a lot of players who are playing this year and not too many who aren't.

I doubt that's coincidental. The two-year window to make a decision on a junior can shrink pretty fast if the junior league isn't up and running.

 

[indigobuffalo]

It's the 7th round. nothing at all is surprising about it.

I wasn’t expecting this. But then again I was expecting the unexpected, so it doesn’t count!

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Does not sound soft to me. I was bouncing back and forth between adding him as a late round target and not. Eventually I settled on not, but he did impress me quite a bit.

Also, getting a Harvard commitment is impressive. Major plus for guys going that route, and something the Leafs should be looking at when they draft NCAA guys.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Well, they drafted a second Canadian player from Toronto of Swedish descent.

Could we stop pretending this "years of control" is so important for draft picks? Whether NCAA or European, it's almost always abundantly clear whether a player is worth a contract within a year or two of being picked. And it's not like there's a trade off if a pick doesn't join the NA pro ranks until he's 23, the team only gets 4 years before unrestricted free agency.

Zach Hyman is a good example of why that is not always the case, especially among later round picks.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Some highlights.

 

[justashadowof]

Attempt to, and often fail. Just like every single team that drafts.

And no, it's not largely deterministic on any one or two qualities. That's a fan perspective. Not a hockey perspective.

It's a human perspective acquired through life experience. I get it, you're married to the entire development program narrative. It probably feeds your family. If development programs were a large contributing factor outside of the prospects themselves, there would be some NHL organizations who do it best with near perfect rates of player development.