vadim sharifijanov
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Except (a) Lemieux never came close to Yzerman's two-way transformation, while Yzerman arguably came close to Lemieux's offensive genius (b) even in the late 80s Yzerman displayed some moments of defensive acumen and (c) both offensive and defensive peaks of Yzerman, even not occurring simultaneously, are higher than the simultaneous offensive / defensive peak of Trottier. Add to that Yzerman's longevity exceeding Lemieux's and Trottier's, and voila.
155 is the 3rd highest offensive output, behind Gretzky and Lemieux. 199 is the 2nd highest offensive output, behind Gretzky. Unlike Bossy, Esposito, Nicholls, and Jagr (people in the ballpark), Yzerman didn't have an all-time talent as his teammate, like Trottier, Orr, Gretzky, and Lemieux, respectively.
You're welcome. I'm sure you knew all this without me.
Lemieux outscord him by 28% in Yzerman's absolute best season. If that is the full extent of the argument that Yzerman's peak offence got close to Lemieux's peak offence, then it's not a very good argument. Or at very least, you didn't argue it very well. I was hoping for a little substance.155 is the 3rd highest offensive output, behind Gretzky and Lemieux. 199 is the 2nd highest offensive output, behind Gretzky. Unlike Bossy, Esposito, Nicholls, and Jagr (people in the ballpark), Yzerman didn't have an all-time talent as his teammate, like Trottier, Orr, Gretzky, and Lemieux, respectively.
You're welcome. I'm sure you knew all this without me.
Except (a) Lemieux never came close to Yzerman's two-way transformation, while Yzerman arguably came close to Lemieux's offensive genius (b) even in the late 80s Yzerman displayed some moments of defensive acumen and (c) both offensive and defensive peaks of Yzerman, even not occurring simultaneously, are higher than the simultaneous offensive / defensive peak of Trottier. Add to that Yzerman's longevity exceeding Lemieux's and Trottier's, and voila.
...Didn't Stevens' PP usage actually affect his hockey stats more than a decline in his ability though?
Q: During the period 1926-27 to 1936-37 (Cook's NHL-active career, a period of time that encompasses ages 30-40 [or maybe ages 31-41!]), how many Wingers scored more even-strength NHL Playoff Points than Bill Cook?
A: Zero.
How 'average' of him.
Q: During the span 1926-27 to 1936-37 (Cook's NHL-active career, a period of time that encompasses ages 30-40 [or maybe ages 31-41!]), how many Wingers scored more even-strength NHL Playoff Points than Bill Cook?
A: Zero.
How 'average' of him.
Yzerman was never a defensive liability the way Stevens was in Washington. Both of Yzerman's highs, separate as they may be, were higher than Trottier's.But how can you ignore the value of combining both aspects at the same time, rather than achieving them separately? We'd probably be talking about Scott Stevens alongside Larry Robinson here if we didn't acknowledge that Stevens was a non-factor offensively by the time he became the defensive anchor of multiple Cup winner.
I don't see how your post contributes more than mine. In fact, it probably contributes 25% less than mine199 - 155 = 44
That isn't close, that's practically the difference between 100% and 75%
Wow congrats to Yzerman, one season he managed to only be 44 points behind Lemieux's career high and then never came close to that total again.
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