@BM67 Can we get Hasek head to head vs. Brodeur please? I want to know if I should be holding off voting for any goalies until Brodeur comes around...
Why, is Jacques Plante not eligible for this list or something?
on the other hand, nobody is talking about career games played here. Save percentage, as valuable and helpful as it may be, is still a rate statistic. And being able to maintain a rate statistic over a larger sample is more impressive. That's why something like gsaa can be helpful, because it takes into consideration save percentage and how long they did it for. Hasek should be looked at more critically due to his relatively low season by season games played totals.
Games Played 1994-2002:
1. Brodeur, 588
2. Roy, 548
3. Joseph, 533
4. Hasek, 528
5. Belfour, 515
I mean, if your standard is everything below Martin Brodeur is relatively low, then fine. But are you sure you are applying the same standard to all goalies and you aren't over-correcting for Hasek's allegedly low games played numbers? Patrick Roy was 3rd in GP from 1988-1992 during his statistical peak at a time when there weren't any Martin Brodeurs in the league, I don't really see why Hasek finishing fourth over a nine season stretch is any less remarkable.
Hasek's career games played numbers are low because he has 53 GP before his age 29 season, not because he played a low number of games when he was a starting goalie.
Yes we should. Neither Roy nor Hasek are worthy of top 5 All Time goalie status let alone top 5 overall.
Both required managed RS starts and took longer than most to claim #1 status with an NHL team.
I'm not sure at all that Roy required managed RS starts, but he did mostly have managed starts throughout his career with the exception of 1992-1995 and 1998 (65 GP in an Olympic year). Roy finished in the top 6 in minutes played only three times in his career, once during a lockout-shortened season and once when had 54 GP.
Dominik Hasek, notably, did not have managed starts at all during his prime, which makes sense because his teams needed all the help they could get. He did miss time due to injury, but nobody plans injuries. When Hasek was available to play, he played in 89% of his team's games from when he took over the starting job in 1994 to his first retirement in 2002. For the sake of comparison, in Martin Brodeur's best nine season stretch he played in 90% of his team's games. If you take the best nine seasons from Patrick Roy's entire career, he played in 79% of his team's games. I think it was absolutely smart of Roy's teams to manage his starts, keeping him healthy and rested for the playoffs, but not every goalie had that luxury.