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Can we still try him out at forward though?
he has a better wrist shot than most forwards we’ve had over the years.
Can we still try him out at forward though?
Just because internet posters mention it, that does not make it a lucid statement.
First of all, it is NOT happening. DeAngelo and Fox are NOT Trouba. Could they have more offensive talent? Sure. But neither one is capable of defending on the level that an anchor defenseman should. If either was playing Trouba's minutes and against the players that he lines up against, your outlook for either of them would not be so sunny.
I feel like our RD has somewhat of a symbiotic relationship right now.
Trouba allows ADA and Fox to be who they are, and not have to do what Trouba does.
In turn, ADA and Fox allow Trouba to be who he is and not have to do what they do.
You start moving guys and you start messing with the balance, and for what? What is the actual end game? What do we really gain at this point?
We have three RDs who compliment each other and are all young enough to do so for the next half-decade.
Until Lundkvist or Keane or whoever allows us to maintain a similar balance, while vastly improving another area by trading one of the three players we currently have on the roster, there’s just no point in Messi by with this.
We have so many other areas we should be focusing on right now.
Worst comes to worst you trade Lundkvist for a comparable forward.The real trick is what do you do with the up and coming RD, like Lundkvist. I agree that Trouba/ADA/Fox is a right side that you could have for 5 years and go to sleep happy. It's a good problem to have, but one that Gorton is going to have to be very careful with in trying to get it right.
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Trade Shestyorkin while he's undefeated.We should trade Panarin now that his value is at an all-time high
It has been mentioned before. Let’s be honest, Tony and a Fox are better than he is. Look at what’s on deck for defensemen and the cap. It’s not crazy
The real trick is what do you do with the up and coming RD, like Lundkvist. I agree that Trouba/ADA/Fox is a right side that you could have for 5 years and go to sleep happy. It's a good problem to have, but one that Gorton is going to have to be very careful with in trying to get it right.
having been mentioned before doesn't make it less wrong this time...i absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE DeAngelo and Fox. but lets be real here, neither of them has been matched against other teams top lines and the 2 of them have played like 6 shifts combined all season on the PK.
those 2 easily replace him offensively but there is alot more to building a defense than that...trouba has his flaws but the lack of appreciation for what he has brought to the right side of the blueline pushing those 2 down in the lineup to allow them to develop in better situations is being sadly underrated.
I feel like our RD has somewhat of a symbiotic relationship right now.
Trouba allows ADA and Fox to be who they are, and not have to do what Trouba does.
In turn, ADA and Fox allow Trouba to be who he is and not have to do what they do.
You start moving guys and you start messing with the balance, and for what? What is the actual end game? What do we really gain at this point?
We have three RDs who compliment each other and are all young enough to do so for the next half-decade.
I think there's a decent possibility that guys like Lundkvist or Keane get moved for important pieces elsewhere.
You know when you see really good players come on the market and there's that fear that we don't have pieces the other team would prefer?
That's how you take that concern off the table.
Agreed, but the pressure will be on to make sure that trade is for the right player. That's the next stage of the rebuild that is tough to get right.
While I think Skjei's offensive game is underrated his current 5v5 scoring is insanely boosted by secondary assists, much more than it was in 16-17, and he only has one primary assist on the season.Brady Skjei @ #14? I was told he was terrible at hockey and needs to be traded?
Trade Shestyorkin while he's undefeated.
And then trade those 2020 picks for 2021 picks. Some of the 2020 picks are 18 already.Trade Kakko for picks. He's close to 19
Just because internet posters mention it, that does not make it a lucid statement.
First of all, it is NOT happening. DeAngelo and Fox are NOT Trouba. Could they have more offensive talent? Sure. But neither one is capable of defending on the level that an anchor defenseman should. If either was playing Trouba's minutes and against the players that he lines up against, your outlook for either of them would not be so sunny.
DeAngelo & Fox are both better defensively than Trouba. We can find another defensive defenseman for far below 8 million, it’s much harder to find a 65pt dman.Just because internet posters mention it, that does not make it a lucid statement.
First of all, it is NOT happening. DeAngelo and Fox are NOT Trouba. Could they have more offensive talent? Sure. But neither one is capable of defending on the level that an anchor defenseman should. If either was playing Trouba's minutes and against the players that he lines up against, your outlook for either of them would not be so sunny.
Come on. You loose all credibility with that statement.DeAngelo & Fox are both better defensively than Trouba.
First of all, I am not sure when the discussion morphed to one or the other. Second of all, finding a defensive stalwart on the top defensive pairing to play against the opposing top players is about as rare as 65 point defensemen. They just simply do not grow on trees.We can find another defensive defenseman for far below 8 million, it’s much harder to find a 65pt dman.
he has a better wrist shot than most forwards we’ve had over the years.
ADA was breaking up plays left & right last night including 2 by Barzal, Trouba was getting walked as always, turning it over with his awful shot selection, and slowly glided to the boards with his head turned back as always because he’s a weasel who’s scared of taking a hit and fumbled the puck and directly caused the Isles first goal. There was one backcheck last night where I swear ADA was skating as fast as McDavid, whereas Trouba gets beat back by his own wingers even though he’s not pinching as deep as ADACome on. You loose all credibility with that statement.
First of all, I am not sure when the discussion morphed to one or the other. Second of all, finding a defensive stalwart on the top defensive pairing to play against the opposing top players is about as rare as 65 point defensemen. They just simply do not grow on trees.
Can't lose what you don't have! LOL.Come on. You loose all credibility with that statement.
First of all, I am not sure when the discussion morphed to one or the other. Second of all, finding a defensive stalwart on the top defensive pairing to play against the opposing top players is about as rare as 65 point defensemen. They just simply do not grow on trees.
There is NO ONE on the roster or in the pipeline who can stand in and play the role that Trouba is playing. His contract in another year or two will be very much on part with what other defensemen in his stead get.But what's also true is that Trouba has been very underwhelming and at times, bad, in the harder minutes he plays. Factor in the reputation that preceeded him and how much he counts toward the salary cap (4th highest amongsth NHL dman), I definitely understand some of the flack he's getting.
Because on good days, their defensive play is adequate. On many poor and in Tony's case, outright awful at times.So yes, Fox and ADA would not just step into Trouba's shoes and doing exactly what they're doing in their easier minutes. But who's to say one of them wouldn't or couldn't do a better job than Trouba himself? Honestly, I think Fox should get a look at 1RD and and some PK time.
Not until his defensive play improves to a level that he is not currently touching or seems even capable of touching.That guy is gonna surpass Trouba in the near future as 1RD imo.
Let's see DeAngelo take all of the PK time, defensive draws and play constantly against top players. THEN we an have this conversation. His defensive play leaves A LOT to be desired. And that is putting it mildly.ADA was breaking up plays left & right last night including 2 by Barzal, Trouba was getting walked as always, turning it over with his awful shot selection, and slowly glided to the boards with his head turned back as always because he’s a weasel who’s scared of taking a hit and fumbled the puck and directly caused the Isles first goal. There was one backcheck last night where I swear ADA was skating as fast as McDavid, whereas Trouba gets beat back by his own wingers even though he’s not pinching as deep as ADA
So that’s why they’re taking so long to give Mika the CI know we haven’t really mentioned it with regularity, but I can see ADA wearing a letter at some point.