Brought in the player that led the league in assists and a 1.22 ppg centre from the cup winner and people are like, meh they aren't as goodWhile fun to think, That line would be awful
Honestly, I think the cats take a massive step back, because they don't have a player that could get 50 out of Bennett anymore. I don't think a lot of Flames fans understand the talent we got back in Huberdeau. He's as talented as Gaudreau, except massive and harder to disrupt.
Brought in the player that led the league in assists and a 1.22 ppg centre from the cup winner and people are like, meh they aren't as good
Calling Kadri a 1.22 PPG center, when he's only averaged .64 PPG prior to last season is a massive difference. It's extremely unlikely he repeats that performance. The top line took a huge hit, in order to vastly improve the 2nd and 3rd lines, as well as defense. On paper, we should be a much deeper, harder to play against team, but only time will tell.Brought in the player that led the league in assists and a 1.22 ppg centre from the cup winner and people are like, meh they aren't as good
I'm calling him a 1.22 PPG centre because that's what he was most recently, and he didn't do it by feasting off Rantanen as I see many people claiming on main boards.Calling Kadri a 1.22 PPG center, when he's only averaged .64 PPG prior to last season is a massive difference. It's extremely unlikely he repeats that performance. The top line took a huge hit, in order to vastly improve the 2nd and 3rd lines, as well as defense. On paper, we should be a much deeper, harder to play against team, but only time will tell.
You can call him whatever you want but he sure didn't do it alone either. Myself, I'm expecting a 50-60 point, aggressive and physical 2C, unless he ends up with Huberdeau. That's more or less the value of the contract he signed too. I would imagine the organization expectations are 60+. As Flames fans we should be pretty good at identifying ballooned stats due to playing with much better players. Like I said, I think Kadri will be pretty successful in his role here but a career, is a career year.I'm calling him a 1.22 PPG centre because that's what he was most recently, and he didn't do it by feasting off Rantanen as I see many people claiming on main boards.
It’s a good thing he has linemates then.You can call him whatever you want but he sure didn't do it alone either. Myself, I'm expecting a 50-60 point, aggressive and physical 2C, unless he ends up with Huberdeau. That's more or less the value of the contract he signed too. I would imagine the organization expectations are 60+. As Flames fans we should be pretty good at identifying ballooned stats due to playing with much better players. Like I said, I think Kadri will be pretty successful in his role here but a career, is a career year.
It’s a good thing he has linemates then.
Let’s not act like Burakovsky and Nuke are the second coming here and driving Kadri’s line. Nukes best season prior to this last year was 27 points, Burakovsky was 45 in 58 on Colorado,
While I like the Kadri signing, in the short term and believe he'll help the team, it definitely won't take long to age poorly. Burakovsky and Nuke may have been his most common linemates but approximately 40% of his even strength production came from roughly 20% of his total TOI with some combination of either Landeskog or Rantanen. That's a pretty significant chunk. Burakovsky actually only put up 5 less points than Kadri during their 3 years in Colorado, including Kadri's career year and was the most consistent of the 3. The Avs chose to lock up Nuke for almost as much as Kadri, which was a mistake but it's the direction they went as Stanley Cup Champs.It’s a good thing he has linemates then.
Let’s not act like Burakovsky and Nuke are the second coming here and driving Kadri’s line. Nukes best season prior to this last year was 27 points, Burakovsky was 45 in 58 on Colorado,
Kadri at 55-60 points as a 2nd line center is perfectly fine because of all the other things he doesWhile I like the Kadri signing, in the short term and believe he'll help the team, it definitely won't take long to age poorly. Burakovsky and Nuke may have been his most common linemates but approximately 40% of his even strength production came from roughly 20% of his total TOI with some combination of either Landeskog or Rantanen. That's a pretty significant chunk. Burakovsky actually only put up 5 less points than Kadri during their 3 years in Colorado, including Kadri's career year and was the most consistent of the 3. The Avs chose to lock up Nuke for almost as much as Kadri, which was a mistake but it's the direction they went as Stanley Cup Champs.
Again, not bashing Kadri, just the ridiculous expectations that some fans are placing on him.
People realize Kadri will now be playing with a top 10 goal scorer at even strength in Mangiapane, right? I don't think it's ridiculous to expect Kadri to be a .85 pts/g player in the short to intermediate future.. given what his role will be here.
Honestly, I don't think many people expect Mangi to be a perennial 35 goal scorer. 25-30 sounds far more realistic. Banking on the high numbers being the bar, is a good recipe for disappointment. Like I said earlier, 70 points is probably in the range but the upper end of management's expectations. In today's market 7 millions probably roughly translates to a 60-70 point player. There is a massive difference between a .85 and 1.22 PPG expectation though, like some would suggest.People realize Kadri will now be playing with a top 10 goal scorer at even strength in Mangiapane, right? I don't think it's ridiculous to expect Kadri to be a .85 pts/g player in the short to intermediate future.. given what his role will be here.
Last season Mangiapane scored 35 in 14:26 of ice time at even strength or on the power play. The season prior, he paced for 26 at 15:19 of even strength and power play. Two seasons ago it was 21 in 13:40. Last year not a single player in the NHL scored more in less ice time, and the year prior only 2 players did. This is a player that’s been begging for more time and offensive usage. Last season he managed 4 less goals than backlund had points, and 6 less goals than Backlund and Coleman had combined assists. Make no mistake this will be the most offensive role he has ever been put in with most likely the best centre he has ever played with. Expect similar goal totals with a massive boost to his assist numbers.Honestly, I don't think many people expect Mangi to be a perennial 35 goal scorer. 25-30 sounds far more realistic. Banking on the high numbers being the bar, is a good recipe for disappointment. Like I said earlier, 70 points is probably in the range but the upper end of management's expectations. In today's market 7 millions probably roughly translates to a 60-70 point player. There is a massive difference between a .85 and 1.22 PPG expectation though, like some would suggest.
Most fans seem unwilling to acknowledge the epic scale of change that this team went through over the offseason. Theres a high potential for some massive growing pains. The way I see it our chances of picking in the top 10 are probably better than winning the cup this year, at least at this point and that could be one of the best things to ever happen to this team. I think Tre was very wise to hang onto this years first. I don't think a team has ever gone through the Rollercoaster of personnel changes that we did.
Because it's way harder to score at even strengthI don't understand the obsession with "even strength".
I mean, that is the difference stylistically (which was the question). He's suggesting that they play similar styles (but that Toffoli has won). There is no quantitative judgement whatsoever in his comment.People who are coming at Darryl over that comment are reading into it too deeply. Obviously Chucky is the better player but it was a dumb question and comparison. Darryl obviously values winning over anything so it’s not shocking he said that in response
He's obviously thinks of himself as buddies with Keith, and Keith probably mentioned it to him, and he took it personally for the Tkachuck family.I think it's funny that a Blues beat reporter is getting upset that Sutter didn't contact Tkachuk after he put in his second trade request in two seasons