Tim Stutzle vs Auston Matthews Contracts Included

[Tad Mikowsky]

Which player would you take, contracts included?

Stutzle: 78 GP 39 G 51 A 90 points, 8 years x 8.350 million beyond this year

Matthews: 74 GP 40 G 45 A 85 points, 4 years x 13.25 million beyond this year.

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[Despote]

Stutzle. Already just as good, younger, much cheaper and signed for longer. It's impossible to choose Matthews.

 

[hamzarocks]

Matthews as the player still comsiderably ahead

Contracts included its closer

Expecting Matthews to be around 55 goals and 105 pts

Stutzle similar year to this season.

Contracts included would take Stutzle though Matthews is still on 11.634M for this year

 

[Jannik Hansen]

Matthews is better but the term, age and respective cap hits tilts this towards Stutzle. All of Stutzle's prime plus 5 million dollars in cap space is spicy.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Stutzle very easily. Even ignoring contracts, I'm not sure if Matthews is better than Stutzle

 

[MCR74]

Matthews easily.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Matthews as the player still comsiderably ahead

Contracts included its closer

Expecting Matthews to be around 55 goals and 105 pts

Stutzle similar year to this season.

Contracts included would take Stutzle though Matthews is still on 11.634M for this year

Why would you expect Stutzle to stagnate? He's 21 years old...

 

[NyQuil]

With contracts? Stutzle quite comfortably.

Will he provide a minimum of 2/3 of Matthews' production? I think it's a pretty safe bet.

If Matthews gets a raise in 5 years, might even be more one-sided by then.

 

[Kerberos]

Matthews is slightly better offensively.

A very inconsistent player though who can't be relied on defensively and will fluctuate between 45-55 goals and struggle to break 100 points. Stutzle may not be the same level of goal scorer but he's a better all around player.

Taking contracts into account, it makes picking Stutzle an easy decision.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Matthews is the most underrated player on this website. With contracts this is probably Stutzle when Matthews’ extension kicks in. He is definitely not the better player though in a vacuum.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Stutzle very easily. Even ignoring contracts, I'm not sure if Matthews is better than Stutzle

There is no world where Stutzle is better than the player who was the Hart runner up or better and Rocket winner in 2 of the last 3 seasons.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Stutzle very easily. Even ignoring contracts, I'm not sure if Matthews is better than Stutzle

I'm genuinely curious what you think Stutzle has accomplished that you can't even say with certainty that a guy who won back to back rockets and a Hart trophy is obviously the better player. That's before even getting into the huge gap between them defensively

 

[wetcoast]

Stutzle very easily. Even ignoring contracts, I'm not sure if Matthews is better than Stutzle

I love Stutzle but AM is much better right now, maybe the gap gets bridged but come on man.

 

[The90]

Which player would you take, contracts included?

Stutzle: 78 GP 39 G 51 A 90 points, 8 years x 8.350 million beyond this year

Matthews: 74 GP 40 G 45 A 85 points, 4 years x 13.25 million beyond this year.

I’ll take the better player. When you have to add ‘contracts included’, the square peg you’re trying to shove into a round hole, is still a square peg.

Unlike smaller and less desirable teams/ cities (like Edmonton), the leafs get to offset his cap hit by having depth players actually wanting to play in their city and taking discounts and ‘prove it’ contracts to do that and fill out depth positions. For this reason, the leafs have been able to put up 110+ point seasons without having to play their stars for 28 minutes a night and full 2 minute powerplays because behind them, their depth is trash.

 

[wetcoast]

Matthews is better but the term, age and respective cap hits tilts this towards Stutzle. All of Stutzle's prime plus 5 million dollars in cap space is spicy.

Sure this sounds good but the 5 million extra was spent on Tarasenko who is at best maybe an average top 6 RW right now?

Take the better scorer and overall player in AM but he is a Leaf so many will take the non Leaf.

Better poll would be Stutzle versus Mack or someone like that.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Folks, if we need to take the trash out before the season starts so that the 98% of normal posters here can enjoy the forum, we won't hesitate to do that.

Stop it.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Matthews because he's proven in the playoffs.

 

[That Habs Fan]

Habs fan coming here to say this is not even close.

The answer is Auston Matthews.

 

[I am not exposed]

Matthews is the better player. Contracts included makes it interesting though. Still going for Matthews.

Crazy how underrated he is on this site.

 

[TootooTrain]

Matthews is the better player. Contracts included makes it interesting though. Still going for Matthews.

Crazy how underrated he is on this site.

Low cap hit > Rocket Richard to some.

 

[hamzarocks]

Why would you expect Stutzle to stagnate? He's 21 years old...

Most players don't continously see improvement.

Matthews peaked at 120 pace but really is a 100ish pt player

Stutzle mignt peak at 100+ but he isnt going to be a perennial 100 pt player.

Norris coming back will also take offensive minutes and touches from him

Sure this sounds good but the 5 million extra was spent on Tarasenko who is at best maybe an average top 6 RW right now?

Take the better scorer and overall player in AM but he is a Leaf so many will take the non Leaf.

Better poll would be Stutzle versus Mack or someone like that.

Mackinnon is better than Matthews by a decent bit

So don't see how thats a better comparison

 

[DJJones]

Matthews is better but you take Stutzle everytime considering contracts.

 

[NyQuil]

Most players don't continously see improvement.

Matthews peaked at 120 pace but really is a 100ish pt player

Stutzle mignt peak at 100+ but he isnt going to be a perennial 100 pt player.

It took Matthews six seasons to hit that pace.

Stutzle has had three.

Still early to call it.

 

[Three On Zero]

Matthews is by far the better player, Stutzle has the better contract

 

[hamzarocks]

It took Matthews six seasons to hit that pace.

Stutzle has had three.

Matthews hit the 100 pt pace in his 5th year (102 I think in 2021 56 game season). Before likely peaking at 120 pace in his 6th year

I don't see Stutzle as a matthews level player. He is a rantanen/marner level player imo.

He could prove that wrong and be better than Matthews but I dont see him challenging for the hart/lindsay/rocket