I hate this argument. The playoffs for any of these three franchises represents a massive increase in revenue. If money is the ultimate goal, winning the Stanley cup represents the biggest cash cow of them all, and Bell-Rogers would be doing everything they can to achieve that.
I would in fact argue against what you're saying, I believe that Bell and Rogers have a large incentive to limit the success and profitability of each other. In that light, there would be a lot of butting heads on issues that might potentially benefit the team, simply because one company might get more out of it than the other.
Try this on for size, Rogers now has exclusive rights to NHL broadcasts, you think Bell wants to play ball and agree to anything that might improve the quality or success of leafs broadcasts?
The relationship is toxic for the success of this team.
Ugh. I hate the type of argument you offer up to the argument you claim to hate.
No one has ever said (at least people with brains), that they wouldn't like to win a Cup and all the glory and extra money that it would bring.
But anyone who has lived for any amount of time in the world and possesses some observation skills knows that it is a truism: financial success has the habit of breeding arrogance while simultaneously killing the hunger to win. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THEY STILL DON'T WANT TO WIN. IT'S ALL ABOUT ****ING DEGREES...
Players are a microcosm of this (the financially successful team): bloated contracts and player is never hungry TO THE SAME DEGREE again... Of course, some players are not affected TO THE SAME ****ING DEGREE.
Understanding nuance and degree separates the people from brains from, well, the people without brains...
2 of 3 fixed? Lol. Did I miss the raptors winning an nba title or toronto FC make the playoffs?
I doubt Leiweke had much input in trades. He's not a hockey guy he's a soccer guy and he even stated that. Nonis and his advisors were in full control of operations last year.
For the Raptors, he got rid of a horrible president and gm and instead brought in one of the best basketball minds, who turned the Raptors from perennial bottom feeders to one of the best young teams in the NBA. He also brought the all-star game to Toronto.
For TFC, he brought in two legitimate stars and got them out of the gutter in no time. Btw, TFC is in a playoff position right now despite playing 4/5 games less than everyone else.
2 of 3 fixed? Lol. Did I miss the raptors winning an nba title or toronto FC make the playoffs?
2 of 3 fixed? Lol. Did I miss the raptors winning an nba title or toronto FC make the playoffs?
Haven't had the opportunity to go through all the pages but let me put my two cents in here, i wouldn't be happy here either if I was Tim. Our management staff keeps handing out Pejorative Slured contracts to players who don't deserve the term or money they get and we are too stupid to properly evaluate them accordingly before we give them the world(Phaneuf and Clarkson). We always want to trade our young kids for over the hill or less skilled players because our fanbase can't deal with allowing them to develop. Furthermore we reward mediocrity, carlyle gets us into the playoffs in a strike shortened season and then can't coach his way out of a paper bag with 13 games left and a 90%+ chance of making playoffs and we give him another two years. Not to mention the players don't respond to him, players hate playing for him(Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner, etc). It is just a dysfunctional family and until we take an honest look in the mirror, take off the rose coloured glasses, etc we will continue to breed losing.
I get that certain players on this roster may not be the players our management staff believe can make us a perennial contender but if you are going to trade players with youth and upside it has to be for player that has both those characteristic but may be positionally different. Getting older, injury prone, bottom end talent for top pairing guys and top 6 forwards is just boneheaded management. Those are positions you build internally and add that one trade date acquisition to put you over the top. For the sake of the long suffering blue and white fans everywhere please allow our kids to grow build something. Stop over-valuing our own players and if somebody is looking for more than they are worth trade that asset so your not the laughing joke of the entire league.
Wow how wrong are you. Leweike had a perfect opportunity to can Nonis the guy who handed out these contracts but didn't. In fact he said at the Shanahan announcement how much he liked the last few additions.
We haven't traded youth for aging vets in awhile and the three players you mention I'd give my right nut not to have them on this team.
Brutally wrong post.
As many have posted, Leweike is not making hockey decisions when it comes to player personel. Your right about the opportunity to fire Nonis. I'm not sure which press conference you were watching but Tim was not a happy camper and said as much in regards to the culture of the team and what has been a recurring ending(no playoffs).
The speculation that most media outlets are spreading out there is essentially a firesale on anybody who isn't Carlyle's boys (Gardiner, Kadri, Lupul, etc) while cancers like Phaneuf and pylons like Franson are being offered stupid contracts or in talks for extensions. Regarding these three players that you'd give your right nut to have off the team are the forementioned (Gardiner, Kadri and Lupul) then your the koolaid drinking TML fanboy's 29 other GM in the the league love because you can count on your fan base being overally critical of the players you have and a management team that has been stupid enough to bend to their will and traditionally have traded young players away because they were not the second coming of gilmore or clarke. Heck, even Sundin one of the TML best players got flak because he was not this and he was not that.
Allow this youthful core to grow, I suspect by mid/end of the season we will know if this extension was a golden parachute for both Coach and GM.
They are alot closer to winning then the Leafs are. I can tell you that much.
2 of 3 fixed? Lol. Did I miss the raptors winning an nba title or toronto FC make the playoffs?
But are they fixed? The only move the Raptors made was dumping Gay. Besides, the NBA is top-heavy. The Raptors will never get passed the big teams. And if Lowry leaves, they may not even make the playoffs next year.
The only team that actually has a chance is TFC. So he's fixed the least cared about MLSE team by throwing money at players. That course is not possible with the Raptors or Leafs.
Hired a patsy in Shanahan for the Leaf - a guy too scared to rock the boat and consistently make the right calls while working for the NHL. First move as Leafs' president? Re-sign Carlyle.
MLSE ruined the Leafs' shot at success when they dumped Burke for Nonis. That Clarkson contract would have never been signed by BB. Nonis comes in and goes against everything Burke preached against.
You guys are better off without Lieweekly.
Of course Lewieke said he wasn't happy with the results who would be but he did say in his support of Nonis that he liked the last few team additions. If you look at it that's Gleason, Bolland and Clarkson.
You think that the three players you think are awesome are talked about being shopped bc they aren't "Carlyles" boys? They are being shopped because they can't play the 200ft. Game. Of this whole team those three are by far the most one dimensional.
It's been years since the Leafs have moved young for old. Typical Leaf fan whine.