News Article: THN: Did the Buffalo Sabres fire too many scouts too quickly?
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sabremike
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Kublakhan
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Are these the same scouts that where high on Patrik Bergland and Vladimir Sobotka ??
tsujimoto74
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Somehow, against all logic, most of the pro scouting staff seems to have survived the culling.
enthusiast
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UnleashRasmus
Rasmus has gone Super Saiyan VI!
I think you can justify letting them go. Devine, if he's still there, is the biggest con man in history. How this man has gotten through Rolston, Murray, Regeir, Botterill, etc etc, is beyond me. This team hasn't done much right in the last 1o years. We're at our worst in the history of our existence. This is the bottom of the barrel for the Sabres. We're easily in the MacTavish run Edmonton age of our teams existence. Our owners are idiots, and they have resigned our team over to a glorified yes man. I liked some of what Adams said, and I will watch, in my ingrowing indifference, as this team is a joke. We're the worst run team in hockey.
SundherDome
Y'all have to much power
I imagine they will wait to hire until other teams start chopping jobs. I can't stress how much Adams should be on the phone with Futa everyday, promising him the moon. He could be a great stabilizing force for a Gm with no experience and a shrunk scouting dept.
UnleashRasmus
Rasmus has gone Super Saiyan VI!
This is such an amazing thought process. I agree completely. Bringing in someone of Futa's credibility would be a great idea.
Buffaloed
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It's a medical issue. We want to reduce the number of Sabres employees potentially exposed to SARS-Cov-2. It has nothing to do with money. We're doing this because we care about them.
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HaNotsri
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We'll save a lot of money signing free agents instead of developing our own talent.... or something.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Here is the part that I am having a hard time squaring away. Why let go of so many amateur scouts before the pre-draft work was done with the new GM?
Other teams aren't going to let amateur scouts go between now and the draft. And even if they do, I would bet that they would sign them to NDAs that extend just beyond the draft.
Maybe they will do the Schoop thing and just create a list from online sources...
Other teams aren't going to let amateur scouts go between now and the draft. And even if they do, I would bet that they would sign them to NDAs that extend just beyond the draft.
Maybe they will do the Schoop thing and just create a list from online sources...
Did we pay a lot of money to guys who did not give us value added compared to central scouting? Did our pro scouts have more hits than misses in trades and free agent signings? Did our GM depend on those scouts-pro and amateur in making decisions? Answer those questions with empirical data and we will know as to whether the scouting staff house cleaning was appropriate.
Our scouting department has done NOTHING over the last ten years or so. Oloffson is maybe the only bright spot, but given he was 7th rounder and took this long to develop into a major leaguer he was nothing but luck.
A stopped clock is still right twice a day.
Other than the two no-brainers (Eichel and Dahlin), our drafting has probably been the worst in the league. Throwing darts at a dart board full of draft picks would have been equally effective.
A stopped clock is still right twice a day.
Other than the two no-brainers (Eichel and Dahlin), our drafting has probably been the worst in the league. Throwing darts at a dart board full of draft picks would have been equally effective.
Der Jaeger
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Paxon
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The Athletic today had an article from their stats guy about the top NHL draft picks in the modern era.
The Sabres didn't have a single pick listed in any of his categories. I think that speaks volumes to how the team's scouting department has done over the past 10 years.
By the numbers: The best draft picks of the salary cap era
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The Sabres didn't have a single pick listed in any of his categories. I think that speaks volumes to how the team's scouting department has done over the past 10 years.
By the numbers: The best draft picks of the salary cap era
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And that differs from our scouting staff how? With salary, benefits, travel and other expenses what did Sabres get for their money? I just don't have an appropriate yardstick to measure. Was it jobs for the old boys and friends or a valuable asset. We hear there was an independent review and that might have shown us something.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Teams bring in all the scouts pre-draft to build the draft board and debate the rankings.
That obviously didn't happen with the GM that will be heading the draft.
And there aren't a lot of people left to have those conversations with.
I recall meeting a Caps scout at a college game in Michigan a few years back. He was pushing 80 years old and definitely looked like he was part of the old boys club.
He took a few notes here and there, but I seriously question the bang for the buck of him being there over and above video scouting combined with good analytics.
He took a few notes here and there, but I seriously question the bang for the buck of him being there over and above video scouting combined with good analytics.
Isn't that really just analytics? I do not get the "video scouting bad" but "analytics good" comments. The analytics are not derived from in person scouting--still I like the idea of real scouts who know what they are doing overseeing the process.
The thing that scouts and Hockey Men seem to do best is talk about why guys with excellent production in junior are actually bad (i.e., Kaliyev, Point, etc.), and guys with underwhelming production in junior are actually good (i.e., Lawson Crouse, Ryan Johnson, etc.).
Royisgone
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Exactly! Folks are talking about difficulty in replacing so many in a short period of time.
I believe the plan is not to replace most of them.
Well, not replaced with humans, that is.
I do believe they are purchasing some fancy video review equipment. LOL
Typically the measuring stick for our drafting department is to see how their picks do in the NHL. As we know, we've failed miserably on this over the past 10 years or so.
However, as an exercise for someone with way more time on their hands than me, it would be very interesting to see how our lower level picks performed vs their expected outcome.
I.E. If the median trajectory of a 3rd round pick was to be say a 2nd line AHL'er (I don't know what the actual trajectories are), it would be very interesting to see how often our useless scouting departments picks hit or missed the median.
Would anyone be able to figure this out? I'd bet we miss the median WAY more than we hit it.
However, as an exercise for someone with way more time on their hands than me, it would be very interesting to see how our lower level picks performed vs their expected outcome.
I.E. If the median trajectory of a 3rd round pick was to be say a 2nd line AHL'er (I don't know what the actual trajectories are), it would be very interesting to see how often our useless scouting departments picks hit or missed the median.
Would anyone be able to figure this out? I'd bet we miss the median WAY more than we hit it.
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