RedMenace
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Instead of cluttering up the board with "We need to trade ____ for ____ " and "This team needs to be blown up" threads, why not just put all of the proposals in one place?
Basically, I'm saying this year* is a throw-away year.
Which would have made it that much better of a year to find spots for Nyquist and Tatar. Even if we're in the playoff picture, I wouldn't mind to see a few trades made to open up spots for those two. Get them some experience now, so maybe they're ready to contribute a bit more next year.
I just can't agree with that; I'd rather they stay in Grand Rapids, dominate on a 1st line, and have a good shot at going deep into the playoffs than have them get beat up on and potentially lose confidence in Detroit.
I just can't agree with that; I'd rather they stay in Grand Rapids, dominate on a 1st line, and have a good shot at going deep into the playoffs than have them get beat up on and potentially lose confidence in Detroit.
I just can't agree with that; I'd rather they stay in Grand Rapids, dominate on a 1st line, and have a good shot at going deep into the playoffs than have them get beat up on and potentially lose confidence in Detroit.
They're not kids, and both got top6 minutes last year. If they're going to step in and wilt, I'm not sure another year in GR would change that. I also don't think another year in GR will lessen the learning curve or the ups and downs of their rookie seasons.
If they were 18 year olds making the jump from some junior league, I'd agree with you. But Nyquist is 23 and excelled in a full season at GR last year, and Tatar's 22 with three full seasons playing against men in the AHL under his belt. These guys are ready.
I see it same way. Their better be there, play winning hockey at lead that team to playoffs, so they can go get some playoff experience. I wouldn't count out a possibility for AHL Championship. The Griffins are just so great and they could get Ouellet and Sproul there before the season end to even strengthen it.
If we took Tatar and Nyquist out from there, they could get some games of NHL experience, but at the same time Griffins could fall out of the AHL playoffs. Then if there's no NHL or AHL playoffs for Nyquist and Tatar, that's the worst possible thing that can happen.
Should have given up Hudler and E/Kindl for Bogosian when we had the chance.
Should have given up Hudler and E/Kindl for Bogosian when we had the chance.
If there is a true Silver Lining (heh) it's the Griffins finally being a very good AHL team stocked with DRW talent and being coached by a coach who is familiar with Babcock's coaching style. While I do want to begin building up the nucleus of the DRW post Lids, Homer, Mule and Dats, if we are going to be as bad as I suspect we will - small sample size, I know - then I'd rather suck really badly and have a good shot at getting Seth Jones. On the one hand Nyquist and Tatar could make the Wings better which would be good. However if that simply makes them good enough to lock down the 10th seed and miss both the playoffs and a shot at drafting at elite talent then it's probably better to let them continue to dominate in the A.
What makes you think that would've been accepted?
That and a 1st was the rumored asking price two years ago.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=883428
It's not inconceivable for 2011. Obviously his stock has risen considerably.
Let me preface this by saying I do not agree with how Holland has constructed this roster. But it seems like Holland is more worried about overall depth and has been since 2009 when he sent down Helm, Leino and Ericsson. Holland believes that if he doesn't sign the Bertuzzi's and Samuelsson's while keeping Nyquist and Tatar in the minors that he runs the risk of having an injury and not having a suitable replacement available.
But Holland is way behind the times here and I believe it's all on Holland - Babcock wants these guys up but he's got the 35+ club as his only real choice. No other team is doing this, every other team is getting the most out of their kids contractually and skill wise. Philly plays 18 year olds and so does Pittsburgh. Holland's system was great pre-cap - not so much anymore.
I just can't agree with that; I'd rather they stay in Grand Rapids, dominate on a 1st line, and have a good shot at going deep into the playoffs than have them get beat up on and potentially lose confidence in Detroit.
First of all, we have to suck for a long period (half a season), before we start making bigger moves.
Yeah, we lost yesterday and looked bad against extremely strong Stanley Cup candidate, but our game is missing stability. We have to play to learn those new routines almost every guy has in this years team. That short training camo really hurt us, it's easier to start with run-and-gun style for those kind of teams. Our puck posession needs timing and chemistry more than ever, because there's so many guys in new duties.
We have to play and adjust, then we see if we can win and win enough. Let them play 20 games and then see where we are. If we are out of the playoff race, I don't think it's a big deal for Holland after that to bring some kids up.
But bringing those kids up right does not solve this team problem. It just hurts building those chemistries. We have to solve these problems with current guys.
Let's see what happens. Be patient. If the sky is gonna fall, then it falls. But we have to give some time for the team. There's too much talent in this team to be that bad.