OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: New Quarter Backs for the Handball team!

[Jaded-Fan]

Not going to pretend to know anything about this kid. But not crazy about the write up. Apparently, he owned the combine. But rarely showed that athleticism in the games.

Playing at a small small school that is a concern if the write up was accurate.

Mason McCormick 2024 NFL Draft Profile

Mason McCormick is one of the most hyped small school offensive line prospects, and based on the film who plays hard every game.

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[Andy99]

BPA. thats who they alawys pick!

Not always…often pick best player at a position of need not just BPA on their board

 

[JTG]

Phenomenal pick in McCormick. And he can play C. That OL room CRAVES Munchak.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Hmm that’s an interesting pick. He’s a guy they showed interest in pre draft. Definitely not a pick for next year though.

Daniels is a ufa Issac is 32 next year maybe they flip Herbig for a wr he can play c in a pinch

 

[Peat]

Another thing I like about this is it's a continued philosophy. This works out, and they'll have the fastest meanest OL in the NFL, or at least they will until they have to pay them all at the same time.

 

[End of Line]

Why?

It’s pretty self explanatory no?

 

[MrBrightside]

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Rather stay away from Sutton. Find someone else later in the draft. Seems like this latest pick could be a depth move. Like what they have done so far

 

[wheelz87]

I can't say I know anything about McCormick. What I do know is South Dakota St has run FCS football for the past two years. And they've done it with always being the most physical team in the trenches. They don't play a pretty brand of football but it is effective. Three time team captain. Najee/Warren have to be happy.

 

[Ryder71]

MM was rumored to come here at 98 OA. Several outlets linked him with the Steelers. Matt Williamson thought the Steelers might get him IF we didn't emphasize Center earlier. Very good value, just wondering what to do in further fortifying WR and CB.

 

[wheelz87]

Daniels is a ufa Issac is 32 next year maybe they flip Herbig for a wr he can play c in a pinch

Herbig can't have any value can he?

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think the one thought regarding WR is that I would imagine that Wilson and Boyd would fill the same role, so I don't know that the Steelers would also sign Boyd now that they drafted Wilson.

I still want them to trade for Sutton, but them not using their 3rd or 4th to do that makes me think that they likely won't get him.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

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Nearly seven months after suffering a torn ACL in training camp, Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback Cory Trice Jr. is progressing quite well and appears on pace to participate in Organized Team Activities, according to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette’s Ray Fittipaldo. In a chat with readers Tuesday from...

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Trice is a 7th round pick and is currently our #3 CB. I'm not optimistic about our CB situation.
Considering we haven't drafted a CB yet I'm betting they try to sign a FA like Gilmore or Adore Jackson.

 

[Peat]

I think the one thought regarding WR is that I would imagine that Wilson and Boyd would fill the same role, so I don't know that the Steelers would also sign Boyd now that they drafted Wilson.

I still want them to trade for Sutton, but them not using their 3rd or 4th to do that makes me think that they likely won't get him.

I haven't looked hard at this history of such things but I can see Courtland Sutton being a post-draft trade.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Herbig can't have any value can he?

We were able to flip Green and Dotson for pick swaps. Herbig can play all 3 iol and is only 26 makes 5 million

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Trice is a 7th round pick and is currently our #3 CB. I'm not optimistic about our CB situation.
Considering we haven't drafted a CB yet I'm betting they try to sign a FA like Gilmore or Adore Jackson.

I would love for them to get Gilmore on a one year deal.

We were able to flip Green and Dotson for pick swaps. Herbig can play all 3 iol and is only 26 makes 5 million

5 mil is expensive for a backup. The reason Dotson and Green got picks is because they were still on their rookie deals.

 

[T1K]

The Steelers crushed this draft. They went in with a clear objective to fix the o-line. Truly a master class.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Not going to pretend to know anything about this kid. But not crazy about the write up. Apparently, he owned the combine. But rarely showed that athleticism in the games.

Playing at a small small school that is a concern if the write up was accurate.

Mason McCormick 2024 NFL Draft Profile

Mason McCormick is one of the most hyped small school offensive line prospects, and based on the film who plays hard every game.

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Seems like a project you work on to replace Daniels or Seumalo in a couple years. Makes sense eventually, but there were guys on the board that could have helped in the secondary sooner and that's a much bigger need.

 

[WickedWrister]

I just love that we have actual depth on the OL now. We got really lucky with basically no injuries to the position group last year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I haven't looked hard at this history of such things but I can see Courtland Sutton being a post-draft trade.

I feel like Denver would be substantially less interested in trading him for 2025 picks than if they would have traded him for 2024 picks.

 

[Empoleon8771]

One more thought on the draft: I'd be expecting Herbig to be moved at some point with them taking another guard with a mid round pick. Their OL is actually pretty crowded at this point:

-LT: Jones, Moore
-LG: Seumalo, McCormick
-C: Frazier
-RG: Daniels, Herbig, Anderson
-RT: Fautanu, Cook

Granted I don't think much of Cook and I figure Anderson is likely a career backup, but I don't really see a point with paying Herbig as much as they're paying him to be a backup with this.

 

[Peat]

I feel like Denver would be substantially less interested in trading him for 2025 picks than if they would have traded him for 2024 picks.

We'll see but I don't see why they'd close the door on 2025 picks. They're not in a window and given he's 29 years with two years on his contract, he won't be around when they're back in. As long as the offer is fair, I can't see why they wouldn't. Sure money now beats money later, but money later beats money never.

The one element of hesitation is whether they want Sutton around to help Nix, but if Sutton is gonna sit out pre-season waiting for a new contract he kind of kills that.

And there were a few guys traded post-draft last year. He'd be an unusually big name for it but it doesn't feel completely outlandish.

One more thought on the draft: I'd be expecting Herbig to be moved at some point with them taking another guard with a mid round pick. Their OL is actually pretty crowded at this point:

-LT: Jones, Moore
-LG: Seumalo, McCormick
-C: Frazier
-RG: Daniels, Herbig, Anderson
-RT: Fautanu, Cook

Granted I don't think much of Cook and I figure Anderson is likely a career backup, but I don't really see a point with paying Herbig as much as they're paying him to be a backup with this.

This point is v. true - 10 OL on the opening day 53 would be eyebrow raising. Heck, 9 isn't guaranteed.

Possible they wait to see the young kids go before looking to cut/trade though.

Also possibly relevant to guessing their plans - they just got two insanely athletic OL and one merely very acceptable. We know how much Smith's scheme needs that. Herbig is slooow. Does he even fit before we get into the numbers game?

 

[WickedWrister]

One more thought on the draft: I'd be expecting Herbig to be moved at some point with them taking another guard with a mid round pick. Their OL is actually pretty crowded at this point:

-LT: Jones, Moore
-LG: Seumalo, McCormick
-C: Frazier
-RG: Daniels, Herbig, Anderson
-RT: Fautanu, Cook

Granted I don't think much of Cook and I figure Anderson is likely a career backup, but I don't really see a point with paying Herbig as much as they're paying him to be a backup with this.

If we were up against the cap, I'd agree that 5m for essentially a backup IOL would be an issue, but we're not. We'd be a Seumalo/Daniels injury away from having to start 3 rookies, and Herbig can play C too. I think depth at the position is more important than a future 6th/7th pick swap or whatever we could get for him.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I feel like Denver would be substantially less interested in trading him for 2025 picks than if they would have traded him for 2024 picks.

They have Mims who they need to play they have Patrick and Reynolds plus they drafted a wr today

 

[Peat]

If we were up against the cap, I'd agree that 5m for essentially a backup IOL would be an issue, but we're not. We'd be a Seumalo/Daniels injury away from having to start 3 rookies, and Herbig can play C too. I think depth at the position is more important than a future 6th/7th pick swap or whatever we could get for him.

Technically they could throw Anderson in there and he's a second year guy.

Pedantry aside... I mean, yeah, this bit matters too. But does it matter enough to carry 10 guys? Are they going to drop a young kid they like to keep him around? And I know they said Herbig was the guy they were thinking of playing C, just how much do they trust him because it's not like he's got a bunch of experience.

edit: Also, while the Steelers aren't up against the cap, that 4m (after dead cap) could really make a difference in terms of who they get in the last bit of FA.