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Not in to the trade so much, but do it.
Speculation: The Official Horrible Trade Proposals Thread: Part 2, Have a Drink
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I'm one of them men who want to watch the world burn.
Not in to the trade so much, but do it.
If the Pens are one of the teams on Skinner's list what do you think it would take to make a deal? From what I read your GM said something about he could be had for a 1st and a prospect. It did not go into detail about what kind of prospect we are talking about but I realize a good one. If that is true I could see a 1st and Sprong type deal or since I heard on another forum Canes interested in Jarry. I would make either of those deals but I am not JR. The thing is when you are in a win now mode I don't mind giving up a 1st and a top tier prospect on a rental. Just would like to see what Canes fans are hearing. I read rumors that Skinner turned down 2 deals already but who knows.
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I am as convinced as any Canes' fan that Aho will be a top-flight center. In fact, I am willing to say in 3 years he will be 85-90 point producer as C. But others are less confident. My point (and it was if Aho or Necas are not quite ready) was merely that Nylander would be 3 shots at finding 2 centers. And Nylander is much like Aho in being proven as a point producer.
Still, I hope the team doesn't take the proposal (Pesce for Nylander). Pesce is my sleeper for breakout player this coming season. He has stretches where he is both a shutdown defenseman and looks capable of 40+ points.
So saw that Brassard might be available....Brassard/? for Skinner and Rask?
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IF we deal Skinner to the pens (and I really don't think think we should) I would hope that jarry or desmith were coming back in a package. They may end up not being anything special as NHL goalies go but clearly we need as many balls in that hopper as we can get
With the Mason deal it seems like Montreal and Carolina are a good fit.
1) Canes need a goalie and Steve Mason is probably as good a bet as any
2) Mason has 1 year left on his deal - far better than having to sign a guy for 2+ years
3) Montreal looks like they would retain 50% making Mason’s deal only $2 million
4) Montreal has been linked to Rask
5) Canes have been linked to Pacioretty
Is there a deal where the Canes bring in a potential 1G on a 1 year deal and replace Skinner for the cost of Rask + futures?
1) Canes need a goalie and Steve Mason is probably as good a bet as any
2) Mason has 1 year left on his deal - far better than having to sign a guy for 2+ years
3) Montreal looks like they would retain 50% making Mason’s deal only $2 million
4) Montreal has been linked to Rask
5) Canes have been linked to Pacioretty
Is there a deal where the Canes bring in a potential 1G on a 1 year deal and replace Skinner for the cost of Rask + futures?
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Pacioretty is a UFA after this year, but if they feel that they could sign him, and depending on the futures, yes please.
Montreal allegedly balked at 2 2nds for Rask. Mason has negative value based on this trade. Mason + 2019 pick for Rask?
Or is the contract length a stumbling block?
Or is the contract length a stumbling block?
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He can be extended starting tomorrow.
What the Faulk
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Yes, I am aware, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't want to test the market.
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Yes, but trying to extend him now (his current team as the middleman obviously) as a prerequisite for the trade would give valuable intel on exactly that.
Pacioretty will turn 31 early in the first year of his next contract and is coming off of a very disappointing season. That's scary. From his perspective, he's coming off of a bargain contract and is one year removed from a 35 goal season. He'll want to get paid.
It's an interesting situation. You would think an extension would add to his value, but depending on the terms, it could hurt it. If I'm a GM, I try to pay less for a rental Pacioretty, see how he does on my team and then make the decision to extend, limiting the risk of having given up a huge return if he walks or being stuck with a bad contract if his prime is over.
It's an interesting situation. You would think an extension would add to his value, but depending on the terms, it could hurt it. If I'm a GM, I try to pay less for a rental Pacioretty, see how he does on my team and then make the decision to extend, limiting the risk of having given up a huge return if he walks or being stuck with a bad contract if his prime is over.
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Krug + Backes (3x3.6 in real cash) for Skinner (with agreement in place) + Gauthier
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Canes need a defensively oriented veteran top-4 D to play with Hamilton. They don’t need to trade Faulk for a LH playmaking (vs shooter) version of Faulk - so I doubt Gardiner is of interest.
An equivalent forward 1-for-1 (i.e. Saad) to replace a departing Skinner or a legit starting goalie.
No picks or prospects. No LHD.
No picks or prospects. No LHD.
We're going to see Gardiner for Faulk a lot, aren't we?
Gardiner puts an unnecessary time constraint on an organization that doesn't need to be in rush to make a long-term commitment to a defenseman. I like Faulk's potential trade value at the deadline with ~1.25 years remaining over Gardiner's with ~.25 years remaining, too.
Gardiner puts an unnecessary time constraint on an organization that doesn't need to be in rush to make a long-term commitment to a defenseman. I like Faulk's potential trade value at the deadline with ~1.25 years remaining over Gardiner's with ~.25 years remaining, too.
Buenos Necas
lets go canes
I understand now wanting to break up Slavin-Pesce, but I think it's likely Slavin-Hamilton will be the top pairing. The staff tried many times last year to split those two up for a more balanced top 4, but obviously that wasn't working with Hanifin/Faulk. Girordano-Hamilton was one of the best pairings in the league last year and I expect we'll try to recreate that with Slavin-Hamilton. Slavin-Pesce won't be entirely dead though, they'll still be our top PK unit and will be on the ice together in crucial defensive situations.
That's why we should be looking more for a puck-moving top 4 LHD to pair with Pesce. Otherwise, I'm not sure who else besides Hamilton we'd be able to use on the PP, Slavin might be the second-most offensively skilled guy in our six. I like Gardiner for that role, but his expiring contract is probably a non-starter.
I'm with Buenos Necas that I'd rather go after a more offensive puck moving LHD to pair with Pesce and have Slavin Hamilton together.
I'd probably do this in a heartbeat, then try to get Nino for Faulk.
Ferland Aho TT
McGinn Staal Williams
Nino Necas Svech
Zykov Rask Foegele
Martinook
Slavin Hamilton
Krug Pesce
Fleury TVR
I like the mix of that defence, should be able to score more without being a liability, and from what I remember Nino is good defensively? Should help the rookies.
... And I forgot about Backes
I'd probably do this in a heartbeat, then try to get Nino for Faulk.
Ferland Aho TT
McGinn Staal Williams
Nino Necas Svech
Zykov Rask Foegele
Martinook
Slavin Hamilton
Krug Pesce
Fleury TVR
I like the mix of that defence, should be able to score more without being a liability, and from what I remember Nino is good defensively? Should help the rookies.
... And I forgot about Backes
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Swap out Zykov for Ferland and I like the lines.
Ferland scored early last year when Gadreau was on fire then he couldn't score at all.
Zykov scored in the AHL and then complemented Aho and TT. I view the trade as Hamilton being the key and Ferland being an improvement on Martinook who can add some offense to for Rask and Foegele, but not playing on a scoring line.
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It's the taking Backes part that interests Boston in that equation
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I would do it, Backes can’t be worse than Rask
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