Pavel Buchnevich
Drury and Laviolette Must Go
To be clear, I was responding to people who quoted my post and wanted to disagree with my opinion.Just let it go man. We get it, Fox is good.
To be clear, I was responding to people who quoted my post and wanted to disagree with my opinion.Just let it go man. We get it, Fox is good.
If you're a grown ass man and you call yourself "Mikey" you probably deserve to be underrated.Mikey Anderson is underrated, #2D on the third best GA team in 2023/24, plays 20:52 and is only 24, it's not always about points.
@Fatass
Not sure if "underrated" is the word I'd use for Dahlin. I have no doubt in my mind, however, that he'd be unanimously considered a superstar in the game if he played for a different team.Dahlin
Speaking of defensemen, I had no idea OEL was still in the league. Is he still any good? Maybe he's another candidate for this thread?
Yeah, he's had a really solid season in Florida. Very happy with the pick up. He's probably priced himself out of an extension with Florida though.
Fox has finished top 5 in Norris voting every year of his career other than his rookie year. Josi has finished top 5 in the Norris 4 of 11 years other than his rookie year.
Yes, Fox is the better defenseman.
Citing Norris votes is an extremely flawed way of evaluating defenseman. It's maybe the most controversial award there is, usually goes to best offensive dman.
He’s not a #1 on a Cup team but he literally won the biggest prize in the game for a defenseman and is routinely a top 5 defenseman in the league?Citing Norris votes is an extremely flawed way of evaluating defenseman. It's maybe the most controversial award there is, usually goes to best offensive dman.
I think Fox is a good player. He's an extremely cerebral player that helps make up for his lack of physical gifts, he's not a good skater, he's slow, he's not strong on the puck, but he's incredibly smart and savvy with his decision making and has good hands.
I don't think he's a #1 on a Cup team though. His speed and physicality gets exposed in the POs. He's not a Keith, Doughty, Hedman, Makar etc imo... If anything I'd say he's a bit overrated from the Norris win in the Covid year.
He’s not a #1 on a Cup team but he literally won the biggest prize in the game for a defenseman and is routinely a top 5 defenseman in the league?
That’s a take. Good chance it’ll be tested this year too.
That Nick Lidstrom wasn’t a good player?Karlsson won it last year and is nowhere near a "defenseman" in that regard. Like I said Fox is a good player but he's not like the guys mentioned above. Keith, Doughty, Hedman, did it all, scored, played physical etc. Fox racks up PP points and is downright "soft" as a defenseman. Again, his best trait is his smarts and savvy, he doesn't dominate physically. The style he plays certainly won't age well imo.
That Nick Lidstrom wasn’t a good player?
The rookie from the Devils?quinn hughes for sure
He wasn't throwing bone-crushing body checks so he's a soft weenie that obviously you can't win with.
He’s not a #1 on a Cup team but he literally won the biggest prize in the game for a defenseman and is routinely a top 5 defenseman in the league?
That’s a take. Good chance it’ll be tested this year too.
This is a really good description of Fox imo.Citing Norris votes is an extremely flawed way of evaluating defenseman. It's maybe the most controversial award there is, usually goes to best offensive dman.
I think Fox is a good player. He's an extremely cerebral player that helps make up for his lack of physical gifts, he's not a good skater, he's slow, he's not strong on the puck, but he's incredibly smart and savvy with his decision making and has good hands.
I don't think he's a #1 on a Cup team though. His speed and physicality gets exposed in the POs. He's not a Keith, Doughty, Hedman, Makar etc imo... If anything I'd say he's a bit overrated from the Norris win in the Covid year.