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Roberto Luongo in No. 7 for the Canucks? Really? He should be above that.
Look at the names above him.
But I get it. 3-7 were very difficult to rank. They could go in almost any order.
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Roberto Luongo in No. 7 for the Canucks? Really? He should be above that.
Look at the names above him.
But I get it. 2-7 were very difficult to rank. They could go in almost any order.
If I hadn't seen those playoffs, yeah. Trophy counting seems a bit tarnished when one disagreed with the awarding of it in the first place.
If I hadn't seen those playoffs, yeah. Trophy counting seems a bit tarnished when one disagreed with the awarding of it in the first place.
Jagr as just a Penguin has scored MORE points (1079 to 1036) at a better points per game average (1.33 to 1.31) but the margin of difference is incredibly small.
Of course, in the playoffs, Crosby has 164 pts in 148 playoff games whereas in Pittsburgh only, Jagr has 145 points in just 140 playoff games.
So, ignoring Jagr's 12+ seasons elsewhere, their careers are remarkably similar!
If the rating is based on what they did outside their teams too then it is arguable that Jagr should be ranked ahead.
I would say Choosing Benn screams "we recognize that this guy has the two best offensive seasons ever posted in franchise history and another that would be in the top-10".
Stars with multiple seasons in the top-20 in scoring:
Modano 7
Benn 4 (including the two best ever)
Seguin 4
Ciccarelli 3
Richards 2
Broten 2
Smith 2
Hextall 2
He's already played longer than Smith with the team, and has almost the same number of points in a 30% lower scoring era. Three postseason all-star teams. So I see no problem with Benn 8th at all. (do you still??)
Hartsburg shouldn't be in the top-10 in points for the franchise; he's a defenseman. He's the kind of player good enough to make it on peak value. Forget point scoring stats - he was their runaway #1 defenseman the whole time he was there. Most of that time he was considered just shy of the elite guys (which explains his multiple all-star games and lack of postseason honours). He's very fondly remembered by fans.
I'm actually kinda surprised you'd have a forward with 554 points over a defenseman with 413 in the same number of games. Not that they're really that far apart, mind you - they're #10 and 11.
Hatcher was my biggest concern - I actually wanted to see him ahead of the three forwards ahead of him. Here's what I said:
Derian Hatcher deserves better than this. THN ranked him 7, 8, 6, 8, 7, 12, 18, 8 among defensemen in the NHL during his prime, which is an outstanding stretch. You could say he was probably about the 8th best defenseman of the 90s. Could you, with a straight face, say Bellows was about the 8th best forward of the 80s? What about top-20 even? Considering he was only a top-20 scorer once, I think not. Ciccarelli was better than Bellows, but where would he have ranked among league forwards when he was 6th, 10th, 20th and 25th in league scoring as a North star? I don't think this is close to Hatcher, plus he was not captain like Hatcher was for a long time, had much less team success, and is three seasons short in longevity. Lehtinen was an elite role player, but still just a role player. You astutely recognized him for his skills and abilities, placing him on the LW and RW lists almost every year for a decade: 16th, 10th, 18th, 12th, 18th, 16th, 7th, 4th, 6th, 12th. Keep in mind that these winger lists are at least twice as easy to get on as the defensemen lists, so his four top-10s are noteworthy, if I'm being generous, and that does not compare to the level of eliteness assigned to Hatcher almost annually for 8 straight years. Hatcher should go right up behind Zubov and ahead of these forwards.
Where is Pominville on Buffalo, and what is the names above him?Finally got my copy today! Been waiting to do a deep dive into it for two weeks!
Where is Pominville on Buffalo, and what is the names above him?
I suppose he is not on the Wild's? Possibly could be though, come to think of it.
Doing the sporcle lists are interesting because it makes you think about some of the surprises. Was just doing St. Louis, and Gilmour seemed high to me. He had 5 years there, which is actually pretty decent considering they've had a lot of top forward turnover over the years, but wasn't a big scorer his first three, partly due to lower PP time, and while a good defensive player from the start, I don't see why that would push him above someone like Turgeon, who, although a little injury prone, had 5 years as the top line center during a period where the team was better overall.
Surprised by Plante not being there either. Lack of games obviously, but I'd put backstopping the team to a cup finals with he's a numbers, even in the expansion division is more valuable than a couple years of a rather uninspiring top 6 forward like Perron.
Was just looking at Edmonton, and Salo over Joseph doesn't seem to jive for me either. Both have three good years, but despite slightly better stats for Salo, he just wasn't the goalie to win you big games like Joseph, who was great in the playoffs. Salo has 2 more years as a starter but was pretty mediocre in them.
For Jersey, Rolston seems high too for someone who had basically all his prime years elsewhere, whereas Arnott was part of one of the best lines in hockey for 3 years and 2 finals runs.
So it's you. I was wondering which "Member of the Society of International Hockey Research and an active participant and moderator on hfboards" they were referring to. Bravo.
No real MAJOR gripes with the top 50 here, but I likely would have had Turco and Belfour swap positions, then bump Belfour down a couple spots in favor of Benn and Hartsburg to have him at #10. That said, I get the Turco position given his games played, wins, etc.
Aside from that, I can't help but notice the omission of Mark Tinordi. Curious as to what, if any, was the discussion on him and reasoning for having other defensemen in the bottom half ahead of him.
Lastly, I place Shane Churla in at #50 instead of Steve Ott. One of the top likely 3 heavyweights in franchise history, all-time leader in PIMs, part of that core that helped popularize the sport upon arriving in 1993, and even wore the captain's 'C' briefly after Mark Tinordi went down. Just last night they had Shane Churla night at the AAC, celebrating him as per their 25th Anniversary season.
Just minor "gripes", if you want to call them that from a long time Stars fan, but overall well done.
Yes, he's a Top 10 on the Wild page, I think.
A twist but what about best player/career not to make a team's Top 50? I was thinking probably a Hab. Noticed Stephane Richer, two fifty-goal seasons, didn't crack the list. He did make it for New Jersey though. That's some stiff competition when 225 goals doesn't make top 50.
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Pretty cool concept for an issue
A little off topic, but is a subscription to THN worth it? I miss getting physical print magazines
Pominville is #25 on the Sabres. Right behind Bodger, Korab, Hawerchuk.Where is Pominville on Buffalo, and what is the names above him?
Pretty cool concept for an issue
A little off topic, but is a subscription to THN worth it? I miss getting physical print magazines
Yeah, the Sedin twins deserve the 1 and 2 spot, but I'm not sure about the rest.
To me, Bure is clearly the best player in franchise history
Just a heads up, THN only publishes 16 issues or so per year now. I think subscription costs have lowered.
I just subscribed...it was 33 CAD so about 26 USD. It says it's 18 issues a year, but even if it's 16, it's still insanely well priced. I'm pretty excited.