VanIslander
A 19-year ATDer on HfBoards
Nothing before age 30 counts.
Immediately i think of two goalies.
Let's herald those who excelled later in years.
Immediately i think of two goalies.
Let's herald those who excelled later in years.
It'd be pretty hard to be known for having the unbreakable record of 20 consecutive seasons of top-5 NHL scoring and not be an exceptional example of success in his 30's.Gordie Howe won an Art Ross and 3 Hart Trophies.
7x 1st AS
6x 2nd AS
Scored 1024 points after 30th birthday.
And he earned 3 of them.Lidstrom won all seven of his Norris trophies past 30.
And he earned 3 of them.
Pronger only won once, Weber never.
The voting was ****'d up. Seriously.
Yeah it's a weird argument to make. I can't see what year someone else should have won. I think it's very likely based on media at the time that Pronger would have gotten the trophy in 2001 and 2007 had he not gotten injured... but he did. Year after year Lidstrom played like the best defenceman in the league, and the year he didn't (2004) he didn't get the trophy.Outside of 2011, I haven’t heard the strong case that Lidstrom’s Norris wins weren’t earned.
Ray Whitney was mentioned, but he needs another 'like'.
He seemed to transition from average 2nd line forward in his twenties to 1st-line forward in his thirties. If you go by the 'adjusted stats' at Hockey Ref., 3 of his top 4 highest-scoring seasons are in his mid- to late-30s, which must be unique. And all of 4 of them are from age 30 onward.
Despite being a calder winner, maybe Alfredsson career after 30 > before 30.
The Olympics gold, all his top 10 finish, happen after 30
The team went from 40 points recent expansion bottom feader to a strong cup contender over that time and top forward competition declined for a while, so not sure if it has anything to him getting better at hockey obviously, but he aged really well nonetheless and he was probably not worst at it.
Howe is the gold standard at forward, Hasek is the gold standard in goal, and Lidstrom, Harvey, and Bourque each have an argument as the first pairing defencemen on the old team and Chelios isn't far behind.
Bill Cook has an excellent 30s career as well.
Yeah it's a weird argument to make. I can't see what year someone else should have won. I think it's very likely based on media at the time that Pronger would have gotten the trophy in 2001 and 2007 had he not gotten injured... but he did. Year after year Lidstrom played like the best defenceman in the league, and the year he didn't (2004) he didn't get the trophy.
I definitely agree with you on 2011 for Lidstrom actually, I meant to say I can't see the argument against any of his first six Norris trophies. I wouldn't give it to Chara necessarily in 2011 but he would have been a better choice. Shore is also a good call.2011, easily. That was a pure and simple career achievement award. Weber and Chara were both better.
Given your views on Thomas in the other thread, by your own logic Chara should've been the runaway winner in 2011 for dragging him to a .938 sv% and Vezina. Or does the credit conveniently shift depending on which Bruin is being talked about.
On topic, it's a different era but Shore won his 4 Harts after 30
which four years? this is INTERESTING! Do tell...And he earned 3 of them.
Pronger only won once, Weber never.
The voting was ****'d up. Seriously.