Prospect Info: The 2023-2024 Prospects Thread Pt. 3

[Tables of Stats]

Prospects and Young AHL Player Stats:

Name	League	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-	P/GP
V. Alriksson	OHL	18	LW	67	17	16	33	+0	0.49
(PO)	OHL	-	-	4	1	0	1	-4	0.25
N. Åman	AHL	23	C	15	8	7	15	+5	1.00
	NHL	-	-	43	3	4	7	-3	0.16
A. Bains	AHL	22	LW	59	16	39	55	+18	0.93
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	1	0	1	+1	1.00
	NHL	-	-	8	0	0	0	-5	0.00
J. Bloom	AHL	20	LW	14	0	1	1	-5	0.07
	ECHL	-	-	8	0	2	2	-3	0.25
	OHL	-	-	34	17	23	40	+18	1.18
(PO)	OHL	-	-	11	3	6	9	+3	0.82
A. Celebrini	NCAA	18	RD	36	1	5	6	+7	0.17
N. Cicek	AHL	23	LD	49	3	10	13	+5	0.27
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	1	1	+2	1.00
J. Dorrington	NCAA	19	D	33	6	6	12	+15	0.36
C. Felton	AHL	24	D	0	-	-	-	-	-
L. Forsell	SHL	19	RW	46	4	3	7	-3	0.15
(PO)	SHL	-	-	4	1	0	1	+0	0.25
H. Gabrielson	Allsven	20	LD	47	5	10	15	-13	0.32
(PO)	Allsven	-	-	4	1	2	3	+0	0.75
D. Gardner	NCAA	19	C	29	1	5	6	-7	0.21
M. Gatcomb	AHL	24	C/W	61	9	11	20	-4	0.33
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	+0	0.00
T. Glover	ECHL	23	C/W	15	12	11	23	+10	1.53
	AHL	-	-	37	3	4	7	-2	0.19
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	+0	0.00
A. Hirose	NHL	24	LD	3	0	0	0	+1	0.00
	AHL	-	-	33	0	2	2	+4	0.06
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	+2	0.00
N. Höglander	NHL	23	W	80	24	12	36	+23	0.45
(PO)	NHL	-	-	2	0	0	0	-2	0.00
F. Johansson	AHL	23	D	55	5	13	18	+5	0.33
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	+0	0.00
L. Karlsson	AHL	22	C/W	60	23	37	60	+9	1.00
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	1	0	1	+1	1.00
	NHL	-	-	4	0	0	0	+0	0.00
D. Klimovich	AHL	20	C	24	2	2	4	+4	0.17
V. Kravtsov	KHL	23	RW	55	18	16	34	-4	0.62
(PO)	KHL	-	-	14	3	2	5	-1	0.36
K. Kudryavtsev	OHL	19	D	67	5	42	47	+29	0.70
(PO)	OHL	-	-	11	1	8	9	+1	0.82
J. Kunz	NCAA	21	C	37	9	10	19	+6	0.51
A.K. Leipert	AHL	23	D	38	0	3	3	-9	0.08
J. Lekkerimaki	SHL	19	RW	46	19	12	31	+6	0.67
(PO)	SHL	-	-	3	0	1	1	-1	0.33
	AHL	-	-	6	1	1	2	+2	0.33
	Int	-	-	2	0	1	1	-1	0.50
	IntJR	-	-	7	7	3	10	+2	1.43
	WJC	-	-	12	8	7	15	+7	1.25
A. McDonough	AHL	23	LW	58	11	8	19	+2	0.33
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	+0	0.00
C. McWard	AHL	22	RD	57	4	13	17	+5	0.30
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	1	1	+2	1.00
	NHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	+0	0.00
T. Mueller	NCAA	20	C	40	11	15	26	+9	0.65
	AHL	-	-	0	0	0	0	0	0.00
S. Mynio	WHL	18	LD	63	16	37	53	-10	0.84
	AHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	+0	0.00
T. Nielsen	AHL	23	C	59	16	19	35	-14	0.59
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	2	2	+2	2.00
C. Nychuk	ECHL	22	D	24	1	11	12	-1	0.50
(PO)	ECHL	-	-	3	1	1	2	-1	0.67
	AHL	-	-	13	2	1	3	+0	0.23
M. Perkins	NCAA	19	C	35	6	9	15	-12	0.43
V. Persson	Liiga	21	D	-	-	-	-	-	-
E. Pettersson	SHL	19	D	4	0	0	0	+0	0.00
	AHL	-	-	7	0	1	1	+2	0.14
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	+0	0.00
	J20N	-	-	4	0	7	7	+4	1.75
	Allsven	-	-	34	3	11	14	-1	0.41
	IntJR	-	-	14	0	3	3	-2	0.21
	WJC	-	-	7	0	2	2	-2	0.29
V. Podkolzin	AHL	22	RW	44	15	13	28	+0	0.64
	NHL	-	-	19	0	2	2	-4	0.11
(PO)	NHL	-	-	0	0	0	0	0	0
A Räty	AHL	21	C	72	18	34	52	+2	0.72
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	-1	0.00
M. Sasson	AHL	23	C	56	18	24	42	+14	0.75
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	0	0	0	+1	0.00
J. Truscott	NCAA	21	D	41	2	14	16	+5	0.39
C. Walker	ECHL	21	C	36	3	10	13	-2	0.36
	AHL	-	-	13	1	0	1	-4	0.08
T. Willander	NCAA	18	RD	38	4	21	25	+28	0.66
	IntJR	-	-	9	1	3	4	+9	0.44
	WJC	-	-	7	1	2	3	+9	0.43
J. Woo	AHL	23	D	62	7	24	31	+0	0.50
C. Wouters	AHL	23	C/W	66	9	14	23	-8	0.35
(PO)	AHL	-	-	1	1	0	1	+1	1.00
D. Zlodeyev	AHL	21	C	21	1	0	1	-5	0.05

Name	League	Age	Pos	GP	GAA	Sv%	SO	Record
A. Koskenvuo	NCAA	20	G	17	2.95	.910	2	5 - 6 - 4
A. Silovs	AHL	22	G	34	2.74	.907	4	16 - 11 - 6
	NHL	-	-	4	2.47	.881	0	3 - 0 - 1
M. Thiessen	NCAA	23	G	18	3.14	.904	0	3 - 11 - 2
N. Tolopilo	AHL	23	G	35	2.83	.905	0	20 - 13 - 1
T. Young	WHL	19	G	37	2.79	.903	1	23 - 11 - 0
(PO)	-	-	G	2	2.02	.934	0	1 - 1 - 0

Unretained or Traded Prospects (Offseason)

Name	League	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-	P/GP
A. Costmar	SHL	21	C	31	4	3	7	-3	0.23
(PO)	SHL	-	-	4	0	0	0	-2	0.00
	Allsven	-	-	12	2	3	5	-3	0.42
C. Lockhart	OHL	19	C	52	27	32	59	+31	1.13
C. Focht	ECHL	23	C	43	8	14	22	+0	0.51
	AHL	-	-	2	0	0	0	-3	0.00

2023 Draft Picks

Name	Round	League	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-	P/GP
T. Willander	1	J20 Nat	RD	39	4	21	25	+7	0.64
H. Brzustewicz	3	OHL	RD	68	6	51	57	+8	0.84
S. Mynio	3	WHL	LD	68	5	26	31	+50	0.46
T. Mueller	4	NCAA	F	34	12	13	25	+9	0.74
V. Alriksson	4	J20 Nat	C/W	43	12	9	21	+1	0.49
M. Perkins	4	USHL	C	60	15	29	44	+13	0.73
A. Celebrini	6	AJHL	RD	47	5	16	21	-	0.45

Traded Away Mid-Season:

Name	League	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-	P/GP
K. Plasek	Czech	23	LW	22	2	6	8	-5	0.36
(PO)	Czech	-	-	4	0	0	0	-2	0.00
J. Rathbone	AHL	24	LD	58	6	12	18	+6	0.31
H. Brzustewicz	OHL	18	D	67	13	79	92	+32	1.37
J. Jurmo	Liiga	21	D	46	1	4	5	+3	0.11
	AHL	-	-
Q. Schmiemann	AHL	22	D	28	1	5	6	+1	0.21

Traded For:

Name	League	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-	P/GP
T. Glover	ECHL	23	C/W	15	12	11	23	+10	1.53
	AHL	-	-	30	2	4	6	-3	0.20
N. Cicek	AHL	23	LD	39	3	8	11	-1	0.28

Signed:

Name	League	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-	P/GP
C. Felton	AHL	24	D	-	-	-	-	-	-

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[Mr. Canucklehead]

Last thread was over 1,000. Continue here.

 

[tradervik]

I just noticed Scott Wheeler of the Athletic is doing his prospect pool rankings update (someone gave me a subscription). He’s up to no. 19 and I was surprised to see the Canucks are not already listed, meaning Wheeler has them in the top half. I guess he really likes Willander and probably Lekkerimaki too. Bottom three are Boston, Ottawa, and the Islanders (32nd).

 

[andora]

I just noticed Scott Wheeler of the Athletic is doing his prospect pool rankings update (someone gave me a subscription). He’s up to no. 19 and I was surprised to see the Canucks are not already listed, meaning Wheeler has them in the top half. I guess he really likes Willander and probably Lekkerimaki too. Bottom three are Boston, Ottawa, and the Islanders (32nd).

Does he not realize that we just traded Adam Fox

 

[wetcoast]

I saw the winning goal play last night where Willander didn't look so great but it was a 3 on 3 okay and he got back into the okay after cheating up on the rush.gis skating and instincts looked very good on that okay even if they gave up the goal.

 

[Diversification]

Does he not realize that we just traded Adam Fox

In the comments for the piece Wheeler said that trading Brz dropped us from 17th to 18th. He viewed Brz as #4 or #5 in our pipeline. As it stands, he has it as: 1. Lek, 2. Wil, 3. Pod, 4. Raty. 5. EP2

 

[Vector]

Here's Scott Wheeler's rankings. Obviously this is just one guy's opinion and he's usually about a season behind, or knows practically nothing, unless their play is demanding his attention. Currently ranked 18th which is a big climb over last year's 28th.

Spoiler: Ranked List

Tier 1:
1) Jonathan Lekkerimaki
2) Tom Willander

Tier 2:
3) Vasiliy Podkolzin

Tier 3:
4) Aatu Raty
5) Elias Pettersson
6) Arturs Silovs

Tier 4:
7) Jacob Truscott
8) Arshdeep Bains
9) Danila Klimovich
10) Sawyer Mynio
11) Cole McWard
12) Kirill Kudryavtsev
13) Ty Mueller
14) Nikita Tolopilo

I don't really have any solid arguments. Other than having Bains too low and Klimovich way too high but whatever.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Here's Scott Wheeler's rankings. Obviously this is just one guy's opinion and he's usually about a season behind, or knows practically nothing, unless their play is demanding his attention. Currently ranked 18th which is a big climb over last year's 28th.

Spoiler: Ranked List

Tier 1:
1) Jonathan Lekkerimaki
2) Tom Willander

Tier 2:
3) Vasiliy Podkolzin

Tier 3:
4) Aatu Raty
5) Elias Pettersson
6) Arturs Silovs

Tier 4:
7) Jacob Truscott
8) Arshdeep Bains
9) Danila Klimovich
10) Sawyer Mynio
11) Cole McWard
12) Kirill Kudryavtsev
13) Ty Mueller
14) Nikita Tolopilo

I don't really have any solid arguments. Other than having Bains too low and Klimovich way too high but whatever.

I'd push Mynio and Bains into Tier 3.

 

[andora]

I'd push Mynio and Bains into Tier 3.

Absolutely

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

In Scott Wheelers 2024 Prospect rankings, it looks like the Canucks are not in the bottom 1/3 of league rankings..Quite the step up from a few years ago.

32 NYI - https://theathletic.com/5040967/2024...rankings-2024/
31 OTT - https://theathletic.com/5102037/2024...rankings-2024/
30 BOS - https://theathletic.com/5114411/2024...rankings-2024/
29 TB - https://theathletic.com/5190377/2024...rankings-2024/
28 TOR - https://theathletic.com/5190753/2024...rankings-2024/
27 PIT - https://theathletic.com/5193446/2024...rankings-2024/
26 COL - https://theathletic.com/5196396/2024...rankings-2024/
25 EDM - https://theathletic.com/5214044/2024...rankings-2024/
24 FLA - https://theathletic.com/5214492/2024...rankings-2024/
23 VGK - https://theathletic.com/5214501/2024...rankings-2024/
22 NJ - https://theathletic.com/5235251/2024...rankings-2024/
21 DAL - https://theathletic.com/5239029/2024...rankings-2024/
20 WSH - https://theathletic.com/5242141/2024...rankings-2024/
19 NYR - https://theathletic.com/5252641/2024...rankings-2024/

 

[MS]

In Scott Wheelers 2024 Prospect rankings, it looks like the Canucks are not in the bottom 1/3 of league rankings..Quite the step up from a few years ago.

32 NYI - https://theathletic.com/5040967/2024...rankings-2024/
31 OTT - https://theathletic.com/5102037/2024...rankings-2024/
30 BOS - https://theathletic.com/5114411/2024...rankings-2024/
29 TB - https://theathletic.com/5190377/2024...rankings-2024/
28 TOR - https://theathletic.com/5190753/2024...rankings-2024/
27 PIT - https://theathletic.com/5193446/2024...rankings-2024/
26 COL - https://theathletic.com/5196396/2024...rankings-2024/
25 EDM - https://theathletic.com/5214044/2024...rankings-2024/
24 FLA - https://theathletic.com/5214492/2024...rankings-2024/
23 VGK - https://theathletic.com/5214501/2024...rankings-2024/
22 NJ - https://theathletic.com/5235251/2024...rankings-2024/
21 DAL - https://theathletic.com/5239029/2024...rankings-2024/
20 WSH - https://theathletic.com/5242141/2024...rankings-2024/
19 NYR - https://theathletic.com/5252641/2024...rankings-2024/

I'd love to see the explanation for Edmonton being ahead of Colorado.

I'm guessing they're including Broberg? But I still wouldn't trade Calum Ritchie for the entire Oilers farm system. And they have Gulyayev as well who would also easily be the #1 Oilers prospect.

 

[Vector]

I'd love to see the explanation for Edmonton being ahead of Colorado.

I'm guessing they're including Broberg? But I still wouldn't trade Calum Ritchie for the entire Oilers farm system. And they have Gulyayev as well who would also easily be the #1 Oilers prospect.

I think it comes down to he likes Holloway more than Ritchie.

Oilers:

There are still some decent young players coming — players who may be able to contribute during this window — but their pool isn’t going to produce top-of-the-lineup types. With Philip Broberg and Dylan Holloway set to age out and/or graduate to the NHL, their ranking could continue to slide if they don’t hang onto their first- and second-round picks in 2024 as well (they’ve already dealt their picks in Rounds 3 and 4). I considered ranking them a little lower this year, even.

Avalanche:

Last year’s last-ranked pool moves up thanks to the addition of two new top prospects from the 2023 draft. The Avs’ pool remains the thinnest in the league after its top three, though, after having made less than their allotted seven picks in four straight drafts and fewer players making their list than any other team.

 

[MS]

I think it comes down to he likes Holloway more than Ritchie.

Oilers:

There are still some decent young players coming — players who may be able to contribute during this window — but their pool isn’t going to produce top-of-the-lineup types. With Philip Broberg and Dylan Holloway set to age out and/or graduate to the NHL, their ranking could continue to slide if they don’t hang onto their first- and second-round picks in 2024 as well (they’ve already dealt their picks in Rounds 3 and 4). I considered ranking them a little lower this year, even.

Avalanche:

Last year’s last-ranked pool moves up thanks to the addition of two new top prospects from the 2023 draft. The Avs’ pool remains the thinnest in the league after its top three, though, after having made less than their allotted seven picks in four straight drafts and fewer players making their list than any other team.

Why is Holloway even a prospect?

He's played 4 AHL games this year on a conditioning stint and otherwise spent the entire year in the NHL. And spent almost all of last year in the AHL, too.

Nils Aman should be well inside our top-10 prospects, too, if that's the criteria as he's spent more AHL time/less NHL time in each of the past two seasons than Holloway.

But in any case, Ritchie as a prospect >> Holloway.

 

[Vector]

Why is Holloway even a prospect?

He's played 4 AHL games this year on a conditioning stint and otherwise spent the entire year in the NHL. And spent almost all of last year in the AHL, too.

Nils Aman should be well inside our top-10 prospects, too, if that's the criteria as he's spent more AHL time/less NHL time in each of the past two seasons than Holloway.

But in any case, Ritchie as a prospect >> Holloway.

Criteria​

To be eligible for inclusion, a skater must:

1. Be under 23 years old. We know that by the time a player turns 23, he is largely done with the steep upward progression we see in prospects and will begin to plateau.
2. Not be a full-time NHL player. This is the arbitrary section of the criteria. Here, I trust my judgment for whether or not a rostered NHL player is still likely to bounce between levels more than I trust any pre-determined games played cutoff. Preference for inclusion as an NHL prospect is more likely to be given to teenagers than 22-year-olds.
3. Either be signed to an NHL contract or selected in the entry draft, without the expiration of either of those rights. Players who are signed to AHL contracts are not considered.

To be eligible for inclusion, a goalie must:

1. Be under 25 years old. This age criteria is more reflective of the typical goalie trajectory, allowing for the continued consideration of a small number of 23- and 24-year-old goalies who are very much still prospects.
2. Not currently established as one of their NHL club’s two go-to options.
3. Either be signed to an NHL contract or selected in the entry draft, without the expiration of either of those rights. Goalies who are signed to AHL contracts are not considered.

 

[MS]

Criteria​

To be eligible for inclusion, a skater must:

1. Be under 23 years old. We know that by the time a player turns 23, he is largely done with the steep upward progression we see in prospects and will begin to plateau.
2. Not be a full-time NHL player. This is the arbitrary section of the criteria. Here, I trust my judgment for whether or not a rostered NHL player is still likely to bounce between levels more than I trust any pre-determined games played cutoff. Preference for inclusion as an NHL prospect is more likely to be given to teenagers than 22-year-olds.
3. Either be signed to an NHL contract or selected in the entry draft, without the expiration of either of those rights. Players who are signed to AHL contracts are not considered.

To be eligible for inclusion, a goalie must:

1. Be under 25 years old. This age criteria is more reflective of the typical goalie trajectory, allowing for the continued consideration of a small number of 23- and 24-year-old goalies who are very much still prospects.
2. Not currently established as one of their NHL club’s two go-to options.
3. Either be signed to an NHL contract or selected in the entry draft, without the expiration of either of those rights. Goalies who are signed to AHL contracts are not considered.

Weird cut-offs.

Holloway has spent the entire season on an NHL roster minus a conditioning stint after getting hurt so to me he'd be a 'full time NHL player'.

I'll continue to say that the weird arbitrary cut-offs these guys use always suck and Calder Trophy eligibility should just be the obvious litmus test for what is considered a prospect. If you are eligible to win the trophy for the league's best rookie, you are prospect. If you've had your rookie season already or you are too old for that trophy, you are not a prospect.

 

[bossram]

I'd love to see the explanation for Edmonton being ahead of Colorado.

I'm guessing they're including Broberg? But I still wouldn't trade Calum Ritchie for the entire Oilers farm system. And they have Gulyayev as well who would also easily be the #1 Oilers prospect.

Wheeler had a tweet or tweet thread basically explaining that he found it hard to really rank the teams this year. Said in his opinion, the mid-20s range through to #10 are just one big tier with not much distinction. So I don't think there is really much/if any difference between COL and EDM.

 

[MS]

Wheeler had a tweet or tweet thread basically explaining that he found it hard to really rank the teams this year. Said in his opinion, the mid-20s range through to #10 are just one big tier with not much distinction. So I don't think there is really much/if any difference between COL and EDM.

Comparing those two teams, Calum Ritchie is the best prospect on either team by a mile.

Like, if you were to offer me :

a) Calum Ritchie

or

b) Literally every prospect in Edmonton's entire system

I'd take (a) and I wouldn't have to think that hard about it. And on top of that Gulyayev is the 2nd best prospect between those two teams.

I remember a similar thing around the time Benning was fired when our system was ranked ahead of Seattle's and I said I'd trade every prospect we had for Matty Beniers ... and that's proven out as the correct take. We essentially would have traded Silovs/Woo/Klimovich for a Calder-winning young C.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Rathbone, Woo, Klimovich, and Jurmo being our top prospects while missing the playoffs 6 out of 8 years at the time… shit hurts my brain

 

[MS]

Rathbone, Woo, Klimovich, and Jurmo being our top prospects while missing the playoffs 6 out of 8 years at the time… shit hurts my brain

At the point where Benning was fired, our system/prospect pool was the worst that it had been in any point in franchise history. And by a fair margin, at that.

 

[bossram]

Comparing those two teams, Calum Ritchie is the best prospect on either team by a mile.

Like, if you were to offer me :

a) Calum Ritchie

b) Literally every prospect in Edmonton's entire system

I'd take (a) and I wouldn't have to think that hard about it. And on top of that Gulyayev is the 2nd best prospect between those two teams.

I remember a similar thing around the time Benning was fired when our system was ranked ahead of Seattle's and I said I'd trade every prospect we had for Matty Beniers ... and that's proven out as the correct take. We essentially would have traded Silovs/Woo/Klimovich for a Calder-winning young C.

I think Ritchie is the best prospect of both groups too, but prospects are still voodoo. I don't really have a harsh stance either way, considering development can be volatile.

 

[credulous]

wheeler just values quantity a fair bit. colorado has basically nothing past gulyayev and ritchie (maybe behrens or hanzel work out but probably not) while edmonton has 7-8 guys who might be something

 

[VanJack]

When you combine questionable scouting and drafting, with a propensity to trade away first and second rounders, your prospect pool ends up in the sewer.

That pretty well describe the previous regime. They traded so many draft picks for other team's failed prospects that it hurt the brain. And then when you fail to hit on the limited number of draft picks you do have, well the results speak for themselves.

It's strange.....with the latest deal for Lindholm, the current regime has probably traded as many first and second rounders as Benning did. But the picks they did make--D-Petey, Wilander and Lekkerimaki look like true blue-chippers.

 

[LemonSauceD]

At the point where Benning was fired, our system/prospect pool was the worst that it had been in any point in franchise history. And by a fair margin, at that.

 

[MS]

I think Ritchie is the best prospect of both groups too, but prospects are still voodoo. I don't really have a harsh stance either way, considering development can be volatile.

I mean, of course prospect development is volatile. But I don't think you can use that as a catch-all excuse for bad rankings.

Ritchie is really good and is tracking to be a quality NHL C in short order. Edmonton's best prospects (if you can even call them that at this point) are two guys in their draft+5 who have totally stagnated approaching waiver eligibility.

wheeler just values quantity a fair bit. colorado has basically nothing past gulyayev and ritchie (maybe behrens or hanzel work out but probably not) while edmonton has 7-8 guys who might be something

And I mean, that's my point - valuing quantity over quality when it comes to prospects is a really bad worldview.

One blue-chip top-25 prospect like Ritchie (or Willander) is worth more than a whole bucketful of those B/C-level prospects.

 

[sting101]

Yes Ritchie and Gulyayev are still potentailly impact players where Holloway and Broberg are long term projects who should help in middle six and 4-6 D roles if things progress. I dont see anything else that looks like they are tracking to be anything but depth at best.

Annunen is a good goalie prospect for COL and NIkolai Kovalenko has some potential also but is 24 now.

We have better