Richard88
John 3:16
- Jun 29, 2019
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This thread turned into a TML thread rather quickly
Its not that people don't like him its that Dermott can be replaced by Sandin, Holl is tougher to replace.Do people not like Dermott? I only am suggesting this move so we can keep dermott here because He is going to replace Rielly once we don't resign him and if it isn't him then he will keep being good on the bottom pair and Sandin will take Riellys spot. If people aren't with him then that's fine I can't change that mind. But I'd rather make a move to keep Dermott and lose Kerfoot/open cap space
Say they do draft him as a UFA and he says I am going to resign in Toronto, is that allowed?Hyman is eligible to be drafted if left unprotected.
Aren’t we all?Sounds like Francis is willing to be Dumped on for the right price.
Let's make a wager.Which teams do you think are going to make a trade to influence Seattle into taking a player? I guess the leafs trade their 1st in 2021 for the guaranteed selection of Alex Kerfoot.
Entice yes definitely, but it would really depend on the price which I'd expect to be a premium; he won't make that deal if it's a 1st. Dermott is currently occupying a spot that ideally would be for Sandin & his development, as a sheltered #6 (to begin with) defenseman where he'd likely get some PP2 time additionally.I see Dermott as a player that can very well be a big part of this team until after his UFA years. His ADV stats and 5v5 metrics are the best on the Leafs and I know that Dubas looks for and values players like that. Kerfoot if anything is super replaceable by getting a better winger (wait a year for Robertson) or letting Engvall play C (which he has been). Maybe not a 1st if it's not what is required but I think getting rid of Dermott would be a huge mistake and I personally would pay handsomely to make sure we don't lose him. I still say entice Seattle to take Kerfoot. You get extra cap $, you can replace him easier, and he is less valuable to the organization.
I value them over Kerfoot as well, but I don’t value Dermott/Holl + a 1st over KerfootI value Dermott and Holl over Kerfoot, it would free up some cap space for us to resign players like Hyman and Dermott and acquire another goalie. Seattle has all leverage here, we need to pay more than we want to keep what we want.
It’s absolutely allowed, but then again Seattle wouldn’t pick him unless there’s a deal in principle (they get a window to negotiate with unprotected UFAs before the draft, 48hrs I think?) ...but a ufa drafted by Seattle isn’t bound to them or anythingSay they do draft him as a UFA and he says I am going to resign in Toronto, is that allowed?
When did Hayden fleury get traded to the Leafs?Haydn Fleury + 2021 3rd to take Jake Gardiner
Francis gets his own previous 1st round pick and a 3rd. Gardiner has 2 more years left at $4 million and played well this year before getting injured.
Francis could just take Haydn Fleury or Brady Skjei instead. But he would be missing out on a pick and Gardiner could net them an asset if they traded him at $2 million (50% retained).
Agreed but according to that interview Francis is asking for the moon (1st + in exchange for taking a cap dump).
Wasn't the speculation a first plus a good prospect? That's pretty much the moon to offset 4M in salary for a season. Least it seems a lot to me.That's not the moon. The price has been set in the past -> 1st for $4M-ish dump (see Marleau).
That's not the moon. The price has been set in the past -> 1st for $4M-ish dump (see Marleau).
Agree, submit your lists and let Seattle select their player.
Just ask teams like Minnesota, Florida, Anaheim and Columbus how things worked out for them last expansion draft trying to influence Seattle from not selecting certain player(s).
He didn't. Gardiner is a Canes player.When did Hayden fleury get traded to the Leafs?
I hope they don't but they can't lose Holl or Dermott so they need to work something. This is just my guess.
Losing three quality assets over just one seems Ludacris.
Let them take whomever and move on.
Pens 7 forwards
Crosby
Malkin
Guentzel
Rust
Zucker
Kapanen
McCann
Pens 3 D-men
Letang
Dumoulin
Pettersson
Goalie
Jarry
Prominent exposed players
Forwards:
Tanev
Blueger
ZAR
D-men:
Matheson
Ceci
Riikola
Goalie:
DeSmith
Take one. Nothing worth a 1st and good prospect.
Bye...Bye....
How dare you fill this thread with non Leafs talk!Losing three quality assets over just one seems Ludacris.
Let them take whomever and move on.
Pens 7 forwards
Crosby
Malkin
Guentzel
Rust
Zucker
Kapanen
McCann
Pens 3 D-men
Letang
Dumoulin
Pettersson
Goalie
Jarry
Prominent exposed players
Forwards:
Tanev
Blueger
ZAR
D-men:
Matheson
Ceci
Riikola
Goalie:
DeSmith
Take one. Nothing worth a 1st and good prospect.
Bye...Bye....
Just as we groom Blueger, he's gone. Who do we replace him with?
Losing three quality assets over just one seems Ludacris.
Let them take whomever and move on.
Pens 7 forwards
Crosby
Malkin
Guentzel
Rust
Zucker
Kapanen
McCann
Pens 3 D-men
Letang
Dumoulin
Pettersson
Goalie
Jarry
Prominent exposed players
Forwards:
Tanev
Blueger
ZAR
D-men:
Matheson
Ceci
Riikola
Goalie:
DeSmith
Take one. Nothing worth a 1st and good prospect.
Bye...Bye....
Losing Holl isn't an option, losing dermott is unwise, and Seattle has all of the leverage. I want those 2 protected and it's likely going to cost a 1st. Hopefully less but I'm being realistic about it.
Doesn’t matter... the report is Francis is telling them a first plus a legit prospect... so basically they still get a premium player from you plus a first to eat cap... its not going to be cheap. He isn’t a fool... the cap situation has a lot of teams in a bind... he has all the cardsThat's not the moon. The price has been set in the past -> 1st for $4M-ish dump (see Marleau).
Sounds like Francis is willing to be Dumped on for the right price.