Svechnikov's Strange Callup

[TheRatPoisoner]

Did Detroit reason that something wasn't working right in GR, so they wanted to see if they could jumpstart their first round pick in the NHL?

This is pretty much it.

 

[Redder Winger]

I’ll make a conspiracy up out of nowhere.

Lil Svech has made it no secret he’d love to play with his brother. Perhaps they’re making a case that that place could be the red wings next year. Kind of like how Kuznetzov (sp?) wouldn’t play for anyone but Washington.

Again. Completely out of my ass on this one

Well that's fun.
But if the Wings draft Svech, he wouldn't have much say in it.

 

[Redder Winger]

Always we hear ”call up the kids, what do we have to lose, how bad can they be, let’s see what we have”. Now there needs to be some special reason?

Way I see it is they wanted a look at him to see if he could be an NHLer from day 1 next season. He’s had a rough season and bringing him up is a way to see if he’s got what it takes at all. With essentially the season lost already it doesn’t hurt. It’s a ”luxury” of being bad. I don’t think we have any other forwards that deserve a call-up except maybe Turgeon who we know exactly what he is.

There obviously is a reason the Wings strayed from the path. And your reasoning could be it.

 

[lilidk]

answer on this question will have at draft . Andrei wonts to play with his brother , but were ,could be NHL , could be KHL . It passible we will loose 2 first rounders if we draft Andrei . Let just trust Holland with his judgment.

 

[HIFE]

Doesn't have to be a conspiracy.

Personally I'm hoping it's a change in development philosophy. No more "overripening" no more "ties to the vets." Just give a kid a shot here and there. If they can't hack it send em back down. If they can, whatever. Svech doesn't look awful out there. He's got a few points.

Just my opinion but I'm not sure the management team is capable of changing their own philosophy. Year after year their actions have proven how little hope they have a prospect can fit in, then we're stunned the young guys are more effective than plugs like Helm and Abdelkader.

Maybe after a 2nd year in the bottom 10 we accept we're not competitive, and push toward allowing prospects to develop in the NHL earlier. Even if they're not as ready as another team's standard, give them a full season to grow. To their credit Holland did do this with Jurco and Pulkks.

I think the Wings should be flexible and tailor their program depending on the player. In Svechnikov's case, from everything I've read about his play in GR, he really isn't any better or worse in the NHL. So why not get him acclimated sooner? I've never agreed with this idea,"oh he's a skilled guy... it's either 2nd line or they're not coming up." I like Svech on the 4th line. Let him build his chops and gather experience in a limited role, like Kapanen in Toronto.

Again, the org. has to start admitting we aren't competing for shit. Take these rebuilding years as an opportunity to strip out the overpaid vets and develop our prospects.

 

[Ezekial]

^^^ Holy hyperbole.


I think the callup was perfect for his confidence entering the Calder Cup playoffs.

 

[Winger98]

There was a rumor awhile back that the Wings were looking to start next season with Rasmussen and Svech in Detroit. Calling Svech up and giving him playing time to see if he could hack it, regardless of how well his season has went in GR, goes along with that scenario. I'd bet that's why Hicketts is getting a bunch of time with Detroit, too. He's the guy the Wings are looking at making the jump next year.

 

[Henkka]

There was a rumor awhile back that the Wings were looking to start next season with Rasmussen and Svech in Detroit. Calling Svech up and giving him playing time to see if he could hack it, regardless of how well his season has went in GR, goes along with that scenario. I'd bet that's why Hicketts is getting a bunch of time with Detroit, too. He's the guy the Wings are looking at making the jump next year.

Also, Libor Sulak joined the organization and was sent to Grand Rapids, so Hicketts could go to another direction.

Player-for-player moves where guys are already preparing for their next-season duties.

It's funny, I've nothing but liked Hicketts on his games in NHL. And I didn't believe him at all as an NHLr for a while ago.

 

[Winger98]

Also, Libor Sulak joined the organization and was sent to Grand Rapids, so Hicketts could go to another direction.

Player-for-player moves where guys are already preparing for their next-season duties.

It's funny, I've nothing but liked Hicketts on his games in NHL. And I didn't believe him at all as an NHLr for a while ago.

yeah, I've never been a fan of Hicketts. I'm still not, really, but he's out played the other guys he's really competing with.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

answer on this question will have at draft . Andrei wonts to play with his brother , but were ,could be NHL , could be KHL . It passible we will loose 2 first rounders if we draft Andrei . Let just trust Holland with his judgment.

Andrei has lived in NA for several years and learned English due to intending to play in the NHL for years. There’s no indication or evidence to my knoweledge that he’d be a flight risk other than he’s Russian.

If the Wings draft him and we’re still horrible he could bolt, but so could any player, like our good Canadian boy Athanasiou

 

[Pavels Dog]

yeah, I've never been a fan of Hicketts. I'm still not, really, but he's out played the other guys he's really competing with.

He has NHL skill. It’s just a question how much he will be a liability defensively. I think he could be an awesome depth D on a team where he can get sheltered ES minutes.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

He may just be rhe type of player who learns better against top tier players

He wasn' or isnt in grand rapids to physically mature which in all honesty is 50% of the reason kids are sent there. He was always nhl ready in that regards.

Perhaps they feel he can' or won' or isnt learning anything more down there. Bring him up.

 

[Winger98]

He has NHL skill. It’s just a question how much he will be a liability defensively. I think he could be an awesome depth D on a team where he can get sheltered ES minutes.

So, we're excited he could be Brett Lebda.

 

[Henkka]

There's also a real possibility Nyquist is gone before the start of next season.

Why is this a REAL possibility? I see him sold as a rental, more than at summer.

 

[Red Stanley]

Why is this a REAL possibility? I see him sold as a rental, more than at summer.

My bad, I thought his NTC expired already. Might still agree to a trade depending on who comes calling. We'll see.

 

[TheMule93]

ive been real encouraged with Svechnikov's play recently. He needs to start getting some shots on net, though. He looked like he had pretty good chemistry with Larkin.

He's not fast and that's going to be his biggest challenge. He's got a real strong body though and he looks like he'll be great at cycling the puck and playing along the boards.

 

[TheOtherOne]

So, we're excited he could be Brett Lebda.

Hey, our current defensive squad plus a prime Brett Lebda would probably be twice as good!

 

[Flowah]

Well that's fun.
But if the Wings draft Svech, he wouldn't have much say in it.

I think he's saying that little Svech could tell teams looking to draft him that he only wants to play with his brother. A team could use their 2nd overall on him and not get anything out of it if he just refuses to come to the NHL. Obviously that could make some teams shy away and go after someone else with their pick, or they might call on the Wings and offer something for big Svech to entice little Svech.

This has happened before. Sedins saying they won't play unless together.

 

[Henkka]

I think he's saying that little Svech could tell teams looking to draft him that he only wants to play with his brother. A team could use their 2nd overall on him and not get anything out of it if he just refuses to come to the NHL. Obviously that could make some teams shy away and go after someone else with their pick, or they might call on the Wings and offer something for big Svech to entice little Svech.

This has happened before. Sedins saying they won't play unless together.

Also Jagr story was confirmed a while go. He wanted to go play only with Lemieux or never crosses the pond. This scared all the teams before Pittsburgh away from him.

It was those days when the Iron Curtain really was a threat.

https://www.google.fi/amp/s/www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/how-jaromir-jagr-may-have-manipulated-the-1990-nhl-draft-in-his-favor-090116?amp=true

 

[Flowah]

Also Jagr story was confirmed a while go. He wanted to go play only with Lemieux or never crosses the pond. This scared all the teams before Pittsburgh away from him.

It was those days when the Iron Curtain really was a threat.

https://www.google.fi/amp/s/www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/how-jaromir-jagr-may-have-manipulated-the-1990-nhl-draft-in-his-favor-090116?amp=true

Yeah and I can't find Kuzy saying it but that's what the other guy implied.

I think if that's true, and certainly there've been rumors that he wants to play with his brother pretty badly, that can only help us. Either we can draft him from wherever because no one else will take a chance, or someone has to give us something good for his brother. Depending on how much stock you put into that rumor, I think treating big Svech well could go a long way. Maybe just a few minutes more TOI and some PP time, Blash.

 

[Frk It]

I think he's saying that little Svech could tell teams looking to draft him that he only wants to play with his brother. A team could use their 2nd overall on him and not get anything out of it if he just refuses to come to the NHL. Obviously that could make some teams shy away and go after someone else with their pick, or they might call on the Wings and offer something for big Svech to entice little Svech.

This has happened before. Sedins saying they won't play unless together.

If he was in Russia and saying he would only cross the pond to play with his brother, that's one thing.

But I don't think it will be much of a factor in this case. Plenty of brothers have gotten drafted and not made claims like this.

 

[Henkka]

This came on my mind a while ago...

If we are not gonna get Andrei Svechnikov, how about trading Evgeny to a team which will select him?

Like, if NY Islanders win the 2nd overall, and they also have another top15 pick at this draft, should we just try a hockey trade?

Another team could see this as an incentive.

 

[ShelbyZ]

It's probably a combination of a lot of things touched on in this thread so far.

-Being a first round pick and his better play as the season went on
-They only had two call ups to use post deadline and they already had a look this season at another likely future NHL forward in Turgeon
-Svechnikov was pretty much the Red Wings best winger prospect at the pro level once Bertuzzi got called up for good
-There's been rumbling that they intend to either have him on the roster next season, or at least give him a legitimate shot to claim a spot. Might as well let him get a look at what's expected, so he can work on it in the playoffs in GR and in the offseason before coming to camp

 

[Heaton]

This came on my mind a while ago...

If we are not gonna get Andrei Svechnikov, how about trading Evgeny to a team which will select him?

Like, if NY Islanders win the 2nd overall, and they also have another top15 pick at this draft, should we just try a hockey trade?

Another team could see this as an incentive.

Do you think our Svech is worth a top 15 pick?

 

[Flowah]

Do you think our Svech is worth a top 15 pick?

If little Svech is adamant about playing with his brother, very possibly.