Sudbury Wolves 2016-17 Season Thread (Part 3)

[PhlyerPhanatic31]

Continue from

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=127546299&postcount=1022 last post

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2137569 thread

Click to read more...

 

[I Loveallsports]

I wonder if the wolves would reach out to Trent Cull and would he except. We know the hisory however new ownership, who knows.

 

[cub]

I wonder if the wolves would reach out to Trent Cull and would he except. We know the hisory however new ownership, who knows.

I believe he still looking for a head coaching job and loved Sudbury.

I know he was a final a candidate for head coaching job with Hamilton Bulldogs.

I thought he was great coach, and had establish a strong PP, be nice if he came back.

 

[jrwhopper]

I believe he still looking for a head coaching job and loved Sudbury.

I know he was a final a candidate for head coaching job with Hamilton Bulldogs.

I thought he was great coach, and had establish a strong PP, be nice if he came back.

Would love him back in Sudbury! Would definitely signal in the right direction.

 

[Howling In 16]

Where's Mike Yeo? Is he available and interested?

 

[lyle13]

Where's Mike Yeo? Is he available and interested?

Head coach st-louis blues.

 

[Howling In 16]

Just saw a quick line that Hitchcock was fired but didn't hear who was hired, thanks Lyle13

 

[dirty12]

I believe he still looking for a head coaching job and loved Sudbury.

I know he was a final a candidate for head coaching job with Hamilton Bulldogs.

I thought he was great coach, and had establish a strong PP, be nice if he came back.

That PP had O'dell, Scarbossa, & McFadden, along with Foligno, Leivo, ...all 18-20

 

[cub]

That PP had O'dell, Scarbossa, & McFadden, along with Foligno, Leivo, ...all 18-20

we do have Capobianco, Sokolov, Levin, Pezzetta, Valentini, Carson, Alan, Yak.

You can tell when Cull had the team there was a system and the PP was organized, give him the credit he deserves.

 

[dirty12]

we do have Capobianco, Sokolov, Levin, Pezzetta, Valentini, Carson, Alan, Yak.

You can tell when Cull had the team there was a system and the PP was organized, give him the credit he deserves.

The system was set up Scarbossa for the league's best one timer on the off wing. The difference between then and now was O'dell and McFadden were veteran PP specialists. Foligno & Kuchin; and Corrado & Leivo a year later, were much better offensive players than Yak & Pezzetta & Carson (17).

 

[I Loveallsports]

Cull had some offencesive power back then. My question is would Cull of gotten more out of this year's team. I'm not a huge fan of Matos but he has 1 true goal scorer on this team. He has older kids who don't produce in numbers , they play to much which shows their limitations and who don't always show up ready to play.( which I believe doesn't look good on the coach ) Which brings me to my last point, does Matos lose his job next year? Do they keep him the following year if they make the playoffs. I'm not totally sold they will replace him. They could say he didn't have much to work with.

Whatever happens B.B. i think will return who in all honesty doesn't deserve to be fired at this point
We shall see how it unfolds.

 

[dirty12]

Levin with 4G & 5A in last 7GP is starting to score and Capo is a steady player. Maybe, the PP can be decent soon. Something like 15 out of the final 20 games are against Barrie, Niagara, NB, Ottawa, & the Soo, Flint, Saginaw. The wolves can finish 6th and possibly face Oshawa without Cirelli & MVS in the playoffs. That would be as good of a regular season as any one could have predicted.

 

[djscooter]

I mean, not to be obvious, but I can't help but feel the terrible coaching has a hand in the limited upside of lots of the players.

 

[cub]

The system was set up Scarbossa for the league's best one timer on the off wing. The difference between then and now was O'dell and McFadden were veteran PP specialists. Foligno & Kuchin; and Corrado & Leivo a year later, were much better offensive players than Yak & Pezzetta & Carson (17).

Do your homework Dirty, Cull first year coaching Wolves O'Dell missed have the season, McFadden was doing absolutely nothing until Cull got there, he went from 26 point season to a 72 point season under Cull, McFadden excelled under Cull and it got him a pro contract. Cull didn't have Nick Foligno he had Marcus Foligno. Marcus Foligno also excelled under Cull, he made the Canadia World Junior Team.

Sgarbossa was the best trade BS made, You think his one timer on PP was not designed by Cull? PP was never better under Cull, proof was he believed in McFadden quatebacking the PP when no one else did.

Carrado and Leivo were 17 years old, Cull first year.

Everyone forgets that when Cull came on board there was a lot of question on roster, more so than Matsos has now. Sgarbossa came over on trade in Cull first year and Cull took full advantage of him, Sgarbossa was doing nothing in Saginaw until he got on with the Wolves, so you have to credit Cull in getting max from him.

Cull first year with the Wolves they were 29-35-0-4, that year they made it to the second round of playoffs , they upset Ottawa in first round in playoffs and lost in second round.

So give Cull is dues, he was an excellent coach for the Wolves, he got the max from his players.

 

[dirty12]

I thought O'Dell missed the first half of the season; but, returned a month after Scarbossa arrived? Marcus Foligno was not made by Cull.
We will disagree on Cull. I think he got a lot of offence by playing zero defence. That upset vs Ottawa was largely due to the "67s missing a few of their top players, IMO. It was an awesome series by the wolves, though.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

One thing I know about Cull. Levin, Sokolov and Wilkie would never play overtime 3 on 3 at the same time. EVER! In fact Levin would be sitting and watching with the absolute brutal amount of giveaways he has every game. His production over the last 5 games means NOTHING when your team basically lost almost every game they played in January. Cull's team won as a group. Individuals sat the bench or in fact went home. Cull wouldn't stand for the crap some of these players do. One of the most selfish teams I have seen in a long time. I thought getting rid of Schmalz that it would have gotten better but wow it just brought on more selfishness. Matsos and Branch need to be fired before I purchase any more season tickets. They are both disastrous. When players continue to take stupid penalties such as Yak"s major in a one goal game on the road and constant giveaways and blind passes into the neutral zone by the same players continue and it's not corrected and we're going into February. HOUSTON WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM

WJ

 

[cub]

I thought O'Dell missed the first half of the season; but, returned a month after Scarbossa arrived? Marcus Foligno was not made by Cull.
We will disagree on Cull. I think he got a lot of offence by playing zero defence. That upset vs Ottawa was largely due to the "67s missing a few of their top players, IMO. It was an awesome series by the wolves, though.

Dirty you always make comments with total disregard of what is reality. When Wolves beat Ottawa, the 67's had all their guns. Not giving Cull any credit for this upset is not deserved.

You won't credit McFadden and Sgarbossa excelled under Cull. Cull only had O'Dell half a season in first year. Marcus Foligno did it all by himself, and no credit to Cull. Cull did a lot to mentor Marcus.

"I think that's a credit to the people he has worked with the last couple of years," Mike Foligno said. "Trent Cull, in Sudbury, did a great job developing him there and then you have Ron Rolston in Rochester and his assistants, Chadd Cassidy, Chris Taylor and Jay McKee.

When Cull was coaching it was exciting hockey and great time to be at the rink. Matsos has some talented players but not getting the most out of them like Cull did. For example Pezzetta at this stage in OHL should be putting more numbers, but Matsos plays him in a checking roll or shut down line with Pilon twins. To me this doesn't make any cents, he should be your top 2 centre, and play more on PP. Maybe under Cull this kid would of be more a factor on this team.

 

[vouve]

best post on this thread by far -

Levin with 4G & 5A in last 7GP is starting to score and Capo is a steady player. Maybe, the PP can be decent soon. Something like 15 out of the final 20 games are against Barrie, Niagara, NB, Ottawa, & the Soo, Flint, Saginaw. The wolves can finish 6th and possibly face Oshawa without Cirelli & MVS in the playoffs. That would be as good of a regular season as any one could have predicted.

 

[The Prophet]

best post on this thread by far -

Levin with 4G & 5A in last 7GP is starting to score and Capo is a steady player. Maybe, the PP can be decent soon. Something like 15 out of the final 20 games are against Barrie, Niagara, NB, Ottawa, & the Soo, Flint, Saginaw. The wolves can finish 6th and possibly face Oshawa without Cirelli & MVS in the playoffs. That would be as good of a regular season as any one could have predicted.

They could also continue to lose and not make the playoffs .

 

[jrwhopper]

Dirty you always make comments with total disregard of what is reality. When Wolves beat Ottawa, the 67's had all their guns. Not giving Cull any credit for this upset is not deserved.

You won't credit McFadden and Sgarbossa excelled under Cull. Cull only had O'Dell half a season in first year. Marcus Foligno did it all by himself, and no credit to Cull. Cull did a lot to mentor Marcus.

"I think that's a credit to the people he has worked with the last couple of years," Mike Foligno said. "Trent Cull, in Sudbury, did a great job developing him there and then you have Ron Rolston in Rochester and his assistants, Chadd Cassidy, Chris Taylor and Jay McKee.

When Cull was coaching it was exciting hockey and great time to be at the rink. Matsos has some talented players but not getting the most out of them like Cull did. For example Pezzetta at this stage in OHL should be putting more numbers, but Matsos plays him in a checking roll or shut down line with Pilon twins. To me this doesn't make any cents, he should be your top 2 centre, and play more on PP. Maybe under Cull this kid would of be more a factor on this team.

I have to agree Cull was a very important part of that team not only beating Ottawa, but sweeping them. He had systems and knew how to utilize players. If we got Cull back I'd be happy.

 

[cub]

best post on this thread by far -

Levin with 4G & 5A in last 7GP is starting to score and Capo is a steady player. Maybe, the PP can be decent soon. Something like 15 out of the final 20 games are against Barrie, Niagara, NB, Ottawa, & the Soo, Flint, Saginaw. The wolves can finish 6th and possibly face Oshawa without Cirelli & MVS in the playoffs. That would be as good of a regular season as any one could have predicted.

Best post on thread by far? lol

Wolves vs Barrie/ 4W 1L
Wolves vs Niagara/ 1 W 3L
Wolves vs Ottawa/ 1L
Wolves vs SSM/ 2W 1L
Wolves vs Flint/ 1L
Wolves vs Saginaw/ 1L
Wolves vs NB/ 2W 2L

If i do the math 9 Wins vs 10 losses against teams that were mentioned. They are 2 W and 7 losses since trade deadline. It will be challenge to make a playoff spot IMO. I was plenty surprise of their record up to the trade deadline. BB made a big mistake IMO in not making team stronger or make trades for the future. In beginning of year i didn't think they would make playoffs, i was happy they proved me wrong. Hopefully we can start winning again and make playoffs spot.

 

[Wolves]

we do have Capobianco, Sokolov, Levin, Pezzetta, Valentini, Carson, Alan, Yak.

You can tell when Cull had the team there was a system and the PP was organized, give him the credit he deserves.

Lol @ mentioning Pez. No offense to Cull but that PP's success was predicated on great puck moving defencemen and almost 5 20 goal scorers. To say that that team with McFadden/Sefton/Foligno/O'Dell/Sgarbossa/Chiarot/Campagna/Leivo/Kuchin/Corrado is a worse core than our team now is quite the stretch IMO. Especially when that was a much older team, and they still finished 29-35.

Our team now isn't comparable at all to that team. McGrath/Bowman is a much better tandem than Valiquette/whoever was backup though.

No disrespect to Trent though he obviously did a great job, I just think it's important to consider that the grass may not always be greener on the other side.

 

[cub]

Lol @ mentioning Pez. No offense to Cull but that PP's success was predicated on great puck moving defencemen and almost 5 20 goal scorers. To say that that team with McFadden/Sefton/Foligno/O'Dell/Sgarbossa/Chiarot/Campagna/Leivo/Kuchin/Corrado is a worse core than our team now is quite the stretch IMO. Especially when that was a much older team, and they still finished 29-35.

Our team now isn't comparable at all to that team. McGrath/Bowman is a much better tandem than Valiquette/whoever was backup though.

No disrespect to Trent though he obviously did a great job, I just think it's important to consider that the grass may not always be greener on the other side.

Again someone who doesn't have the facts. Going into Cull first season he had one liegit 20 goal scorer who was O'Dell, they had lost McFarland, Staal, Kurtz. Prior to that no one on the roster 2009 scored 20 goals. O'Dell was injured most of the season played 39 games.

Cull made McFadden who had 26 points to 72 points leading the team in points. Someone leading your team who was defenceman doesn't say much about the offensive talent at the time.

Again, your fact the team was a lot older than it is now is wrong again, in 2010 Cull first year had 10 players that were 19 and older. 2016/2017 has 9 players who are 19 and older. not much difference in age.

I agree Valiquette was more stable, but at the time it was first time he started as a number 1 with the Wolves, there was a lot of questions if he would be able to do it prior the season started.

Its easy to reflect on now that Cull had a better team, but at that time there was a lot of unknowns. I give him credit in developing a lot of kids under him.

You laugh about Pezzetta, he was a high first round pick, he was to be a power forward who could put numbers, obviously we have not develop him to his maximum potential after getting tons of ice time.

Before making comments have some backup.

 

[Wolves]

ME have some backup. laughable. I give Trent credit for his second and third years with the club more than his first. One legit 20 goal scorer eh? I count 4 and another with 19.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0008182011.html

And you see the column on the left where it says age? Tell me that team is younger than our team now. It isn't.

Hilarious that you tell me before making comments I should check my facts when you've neglected to check the facts yourself.

 

[cub]

ME have some backup. laughable. I give Trent credit for his second and third years with the club more than his first. One legit 20 goal scorer eh? I count 4 and another with 19.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0008182011.html

And you see the column on the left where it says age? Tell me that team is younger than our team now. It isn't.

Hilarious that you tell me before making comments I should check my facts when you've neglected to check the facts yourself.

Again, get your facts straight and learn to read stats, prior to Cull 2010 season who scored 20 goals on his 2010 roster? . Yes, there were 20 goal scores after 2010/2011 but none of those players scored 20 goals prior except O' Dell. I am talking about his start with the Wolves 2010/ 2011 season when I'm talking about facts.

AGE

2010/2011- 20 yrs and 19 yrs old

O' Dell, Lomas, Valiquette, Lopes (got traded), Visca (got released), McDonald, Kuchin, Foligno, McFadden, Chariot. 10 players ( 2 players in that list Lopes and Visca no longer with team)

2016/ 2017

Sanvido, Jamieson, Yak, Mayo, Bowman, Savard, Wilkie, Capobianco, Valentini. 9 players ( Mayo no longer with team)

Learn to read stats.