Stuart Skinner worst playoff sv% since Cloutier.

[daver]

That is one example, but its a hilarious rhetoric. I can count probably close to double digit similar chances that Dallas has given up to Colorado in their 3 games where Oettinger has bailed them out. Or probably closer to 20 or30 that Swayman has bailed Boston out. It's laughable that people think these types of chances don't happen almost every single night and often multiple times every single night around the league.

If it's so hilarious why does it keep getting trotted out every playoffs.

Since 2020, the Oilers easily have the worst Goals against among teams with 30 games played:

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[ijuka]

If it's so hilarious why does it keep getting trotted out every playoffs.

Since 2020, the Oilers easily have the worst Goals against among teams with 30 games played:

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Yes, because the goaltending sucks.

Read the post you quoted.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

You took Campbell. Will you take Samsonov ?

 

[Chips]

It’s hard to feel like this Canucks-Oilers series wouldnt be something else with healthy Demko

 

[Hockeyholic]

To me, hiring Holland was a lazy move based on what he accomplished pre-cap era. A time when all you had to do was call the best players and hand them the most money. Did they even notice what he did in Detroit for the previous decade? He left them in shambles. Five years in and the same issues (D and goaltending) are sinking the team.

Six defensive defenseman and an average NHL goalie would probably be enough to get them a cup. Not only are guys like Nurse & Ceci useless. But, they are also direct liabilities. Seriously. Why aren't they in the press box by now. Get guys up from the AHL.

If I'm Draisaitl, I tell the organization to forget any extensions until a legit #1 goalie is signed. Along with actual defensive defenceman. If that means they trade him, so be it. But until the day those signings occur, no extension.

 

[Hoglander]

 

[White Out 902]

Normally I'm all for crucifying a goaltender, but the defensive breakdowns that led to the goals last night were hilarious. I think greaser fans are reaching trying to blame the goaltender because of how bad their defensive system are, and, how many high danger chances they surrendered. I'm not going to cry any tears for a team that has been gifted so many number one picks. I wish them nothing but failure in the postseason

 

[Mobiandi]

The Oilers didn’t even try to play defense in the 1st period and lost the game. Margins are thin in the playoffs, can’t rely on the PP to save your bacon every game

 

[daver]

Yes, because the goaltending sucks.

Read the post you quoted.

It has been the same narrative since 2020.

Normally I'm all for crucifying a goaltender, but the defensive breakdowns that led to the goals last night were hilarious. I think greaser fans are reaching trying to blame the goaltender because of how bad their defensive system are, and, how many high danger chances they surrendered. I'm not going to cry any tears for a team that has been gifted so many number one picks. I wish them nothing but failure in the postseason

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McDavid especially seems out of place. The Oilers went from having four players playing low vs. the Canucks two to two Oilers on one of those players and Draisaitl turning away to cover the point man instead of Boeser because he clearly thought McDavid had him.

I wonder when Draisaitl and McDavid are out together are the defensive responsibilities set (one is on the other C and the other covers the point) or do they wing it i.e. the first guy back goes deep and the other stays high.

 

[daver]

The Oilers didn’t even try to play defense in the 1st period and lost the game. Margins are thin in the playoffs, can’t rely on the PP to save your bacon every game

Since 2020, the Oilers have won 13 games when they outscored their opponents at ES and lost 19 times when they got outscored at ES.

They won 6 games when the had more PP goals and lost 4 times despite scoring more PP goals.

 

[bobholly39]

He's also dead last in Goals Against at 3.49 among playoff goalies with 20+ games since 1990.

 

[HockeyWooot]

Why isn’t there a more of a call out of the team in front of him.

Team defence, depth, strong defence corps, structured play, puck battles etc is a hallmark of all the remaining teams except the Oilers.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Goals 2 and 3 were off bad defensive zone. Cover by McDavid going to the boards when ekholm had the man leaving Boeser wide open in the slot. Then Foegle gives the puck away in transition.

Are we just playing devils advocate here or...?

Jay Woodcroft must have the biggest shit eating grin while shoveling Cheetos in his mouth tonight lmao

Jay Woodcroft kept going back to this sieve last year when average goaltending could have got the Oilers past the Knights. He can eat shit while grinning.

BTW this is a much tougher series than the LVK one from last year.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

wow how could anybody have seen this coming!?!?

 

[Frank Drebin]

It’s hard to feel like this Canucks-Oilers series wouldnt be something else with healthy Demko

It would still be 2-1 for the Nucks.

 

[GMR]

Ken Holland is a former goalie and Hall of Fame GM. He knows what he’s doing.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Ken Holland is a former goalie and Hall of Fame GM. He knows what he’s doing.

Yep, in Ken Holland we trust

 

[Daishi]

Normally I'm all for crucifying a goaltender, but the defensive breakdowns that led to the goals last night were hilarious. I think greaser fans are reaching trying to blame the goaltender because of how bad their defensive system are, and, how many high danger chances they surrendered. I'm not going to cry any tears for a team that has been gifted so many number one picks. I wish them nothing but failure in the postseason

That's just not true however. High danger chances were 4 to 1 in Oil's favour. Silov allows 2 goals less than is expected while the Skinmeister allows 2 goals more than is expected (about).

In short, no, it's not because the D is bad. It's because Skinner can't make a save. An average goalie with advanced stats in the median would've won the Oil each of these games.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

Very few teams play like the Oilers. The same reason they put up huge point totals is the same reason their goaltending sucks. Their top forwards are always looking to fly the zone and defense is an afterthought. Look at Boeser's goals, it's rare you see any player with the puck with that much time in front of the goalie.

Those goals werent unsaveable. Every goalienhas at least 10 high danger chances given up per game, they just save some of them so people forget about them. Heck silvos made.several better saves on more difficult defensive breakdowns than the goals skinner let up andnhes a 3rd string goalie.



Both skinner and pickard had .910ish sv% this regular season behind this same team defense during regular season. Skinner just melts under the pressure.

 

[shaner8989]

Absolute trash tending. Edmonton is dominating the entire series and down cause of this clown.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

Kuemper was their weak leak but he wasn’t this bad. That Avs team would have a harder time with Skinner. They were also one of the more deeper, dominant teams winning the cup.

Oilers playing style come with faults. They don’t particular need a 2011 Tim Thomas to win but they do need a goalie that can actually make a timely save to help them or not give up a stinker goal where they can then reward him for it by scoring more goals to give him a cushion. They are not gonna all of sudden play dead puck era hockey just cause their goalie is not reliable with shot confidence right now probably.

Kuemper was bad during the blues and beginning of oilers series, butnthat was after he was stabbed in the eye during the 1st round, and he later exitednthebrest of the oilers series because his eye was bothering him. His eyesight was probably never 100% during the games in between he was playing. He played a couple good games in the cup finals.

 

[archangel2]

it will only get uglier

 

[Realgud]

Mike Smith's .913 in 16 games 2 years ago at 40 years old doesn't look too bad now, does it?

 

[MM425]

Hate to pile on but Skinner never really passed “the eye test” to me. Very average lateral movement, reflexes, and athleticism for an NHL starting goalie.

The contrast is pretty stark to Sliovs, who looks like prime MAF in comparison

 

[WATTAGE4451]

If it's so hilarious why does it keep getting trotted out every playoffs.

Since 2020, the Oilers easily have the worst Goals against among teams with 30 games played:

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The pilers defense was bad by the statistics priornto this year. That isnt the case anymore.

Also mike smith wasnt nearly as bad as skinner when defense was worse for him. And smith did let it LAUGHABLEY bad goals you couldnt possibly blame defense on including a flip from the opponents own end, although he made way more better saves for all the super softies he let in.