Player Discussion: Steven Stamkos - Part 9: 500 Goals & 1,100 Points and counting Edition

[DFC]

This might be where the last contract comes back to bite us. Stamkos took an offer of 8.5 that had been sitting on the table since January. Now, fast forward 8 years, we didn't even open contract discussions, and are probably gonna ask him to take less money even though a lot of his numbers are better coming into this contract than they were going into the last one (a lot of that is because the league has changed, but still).

I mean, we're gonna find out in the playoffs for a certainty, but I think most of us believe we have to get better 5v5 next year. We can do that with Stamkos onboard, but only if he takes a contract that leaves room to bring other guys in. If the PP goes from 1st to 8th or 9th, it's still a net positive if we go from a bottom 1/3 team 5v5 to a top 10 team.

In a perfect world, we remain a top PP and improve 5v5, but it's hard to imagine that happening unless Stamkos takes a VERY team-friendly deal. Like, he is probably gonna be asked to leave more money on the table (short term) than he did last time.

 

[JTBF81]

As you said, a lot depends on how much Stamkos wants and for how long. The FA replacements I would look for would be in the under 30, 31 - 32 age at the oldest - so even if they are only 1 million cheaper than Stamkos, as long as the FA contract doesn't take them past age 34-35, they're more likely to live up to it for it's entire length given they are younger. Stamkos will turn 35 next Feb.

I'm not in love with any of the FA forward options, but also not in love with someone more than Hagel who's going to be noticably worse at age 36, 37. If the rest of the core was still in its prime, then it wouldn't be as bad, but Hedman and Vasy look like they have started the downside of their careers as well.

What is the best realistic case Stamkos settles for? Malkin resigned for 4 years at 6.1 when he was days away from 36. If Stamkos resigned for 6.5 for 2 years, I'd take it. But I imagine he's going to want 3 years or more. It's going to be a touch choice for both Stamkos and JBB.

Hedman has slowed down a little, but Vasy was just injured and took time. Vasy is still definitely in his prime as is the rest of the core. Stamkos is going to be a 40+ goal scoring, ppg forward again, so as long as he's willing to work with the team on a contract that starts with a 5 or a 6, if he wants an extra year, so be it. I doubt he'll regress that badly until the last year of it, and by then, the cap will be significantly higher.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

I mean, we're gonna find out in the playoffs for a certainty, but I think most of us believe we have to get better 5v5 next year. We can do that with Stamkos onboard, but only if he takes a contract that leaves room to bring other guys in. If the PP goes from 1st to 8th or 9th, it's still a net positive if we go from a bottom 1/3 team 5v5 to a top 10 team.

In a perfect world, we remain a top PP and improve 5v5, but it's hard to imagine that happening unless Stamkos takes a VERY team-friendly deal. Like, he is probably gonna be asked to leave more money on the table (short term) than he did last time.

First off: the PP going from 1st to 8/9 is a huge difference. And second: what FAs are we going to bring in to make us go to top 10 5v5? Especially while letting Stamkos walk.

Hedman has slowed down a little, but Vasy was just injured and took time. Vasy is still definitely in his prime as is the rest of the core. Stamkos is going to be a 40+ goal scoring, ppg forward again, so as long as he's willing to work with the team on a contract that starts with a 5 or a 6, if he wants an extra year, so be it. I doubt he'll regress that badly until the last year of it, and by then, the cap will be significantly higher.

It's beyond r*t*rded to ask Stamkos to take 5-6 while also being willing to give Anthony Duclair 4-5 lol.

 

[JTBF81]

First off: the PP going from 1st to 8/9 is a huge difference. And second: what FAs are we going to bring in to make us go to top 10 5v5? Especially while letting Stamkos walk.


It's beyond r*t*rded to ask Stamkos to take 5-6 while also being willing to give Anthony Duclair 4-5 lol.

Duclair should be getting 4 tops and 6.5 is what they can realistically offer Stamkos and still actually improve other areas. If Stamkos wants 8+ from a non playoff team, more power to him, but if he wants to stay in Tampa, 6-6.5 is likely what JBB can do.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Duclair should be getting 4 tops and 6.5 is what they can realistically offer Stamkos and still actually improve other areas. If Stamkos wants 8+ from a non playoff team, more power to him, but if he wants to stay in Tampa, 6-6.5 is likely what JBB can do.

Doubt Stamkos has any reason or desire to sign with a non-contender. Especially for 1-2M difference.

Also, Hanafin is gone so there goes that.

 

[The Gongshow]

JBB re-sign the man before playoffs to get him extra motivated cause he's hot right now and the price is going up

 

[OffBy1]

First off: the PP going from 1st to 8/9 is a huge difference. And second: what FAs are we going to bring in to make us go to top 10 5v5? Especially while letting Stamkos walk.


It's beyond r*t*rded to ask Stamkos to take 5-6 while also being willing to give Anthony Duclair 4-5 lol.

If you have to pick one to be better at, you pick 5v5 because otherwise you're depending on the other team to make mistakes to get power plays. We're currently -19 in 5v5 play. Our powerplay has been keeping us alive because our 5v5 is bad. Only Ottawa, Columbus, San Jose and Chicago have given up more 5v5 goals.

Several FAs have been mentioned on multiple threads already, the idea generally is to get a cheaper scoring line forward and a defensemen or a forward for the 2nd and 3rd line. Reread the posts if you're really interested though it seems like you're just here to express exasperation at not resigning Stamkos regardless of what that means for the team.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Reread the posts if you're really interested though it seems like you're just here to express exasperation at not resigning Stamkos regardless of what that means for the team.

Was that really necessary? Lol

 

[JTBF81]

Doubt Stamkos has any reason or desire to sign with a non-contender. Especially for 1-2M difference.

Also, Hanafin is gone so there goes that.

Yeah, Hanifin was never coming to Tampa. There may have been some smoke, but there was never any real way to fit him without really limiting what could be done to address the F group.

 

[DFC]

First off: the PP going from 1st to 8/9 is a huge difference. And second: what FAs are we going to bring in to make us go to top 10 5v5? Especially while letting Stamkos walk.


It's beyond r*t*rded to ask Stamkos to take 5-6 while also being willing to give Anthony Duclair 4-5 lol.

Why? That's how much money we have. It's not about what they are worth. The whole issue with bringing Stamkos back is he is worth more than the team can afford.

The difference between 1st and 8/9 is 15-18 goals per season. The FA is likely Duclair, if he's willing to take something around 4.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

https://media.nhl.com/public/live-updates?date=2024-04-15

* Steven Stamkos scored to record his seventh career 40-goal season, tied for the 11th most in NHL history and the second most among active players behind Alex Ovechkin (13).

Alex Ovechkin - 13
Wayne Gretzky - 12
Marcel Dionne - 10
Mario Lemieux - 10
Mike Bossy - 9
Mike Gartner - 9
Phil Esposito - 8
Brett Hull - 8
Luc Robitaille - 8
Bobby Hull - 8
Steven Stamkos - 7
Dino Ciccarelli - 7
Michel Goulet - 7
Dale Hawerchuk - 7
Jari Kurri - 7
Pat LaFontaine - 7
Joe Mullen - 7
Teemu Selanne - 7

 

[Stammertime91]

40g 41a in 79 games. Production dipped a little, but another solid season from Stamkos. Will be incredibly weird if this run is the last of him in Tampa. I hope not. You don't replace 40 goals that easily. Powerplay would suffer too because it takes away a right handed shot from Kucherov to distribute. Not to mention what he means to the players and the fans over all these years.

Thank you for another season Captain

 

[LightningStrikes]

We have the best powerplay in the league (leading by almost two full percentage points) and he’s a big reason why: Not just for the goals he scores but also the threat he poses, freeing up Kuch to do his thang (setting up Heds at the point, Point in the slot or slap one home from the right).

 

[The Gongshow]

They better sign this man. He still an 80 point player for christ sake. JBB don't be dumb. Fans are already pretty annoyed at the Jeannot trade, if you don't re-sign a fan favourite in Stamkosnyoure gonna lose alot of favour from the fan base.

Signing Stamkos makes the team better than whatever 4th line scrub you have to sign when 91 walks cause you only offered 4mil

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

This photo gives me all the emotions

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Happy with his playoff play so far. Skating well and clapping one Ts per usual. He isn't looking lethargic or giving the puck away like so many others on this team.

Need a Stammer dressing room speech to get the guys going before Game 3. Hopefully he says something on the short flight back

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Happy with his playoff play so far. Skating well and clapping one Ts per usual. He isn't looking lethargic or giving the puck away like so many others on this team.

Need a Stammer dressing room speech to get the guys going before Game 3. Hopefully he says something on the short flight back

Agreed with this. For the most part he's looked good, and been a positive contributer on the ice. Which is hard to say for a lot of the forwards right now.

Unfortunately, I still stand by the position that if you take him out of the lineup this offense is royally f***ed.

 

[JoVel]

I'm back to thinking we should sign Stamkos and worry about his decline later. He had one of the worst stretch he's had in recent years, especially 5 on 5, and still put up 40 goals. Even if he becomes useless on even strength he'll be a good power play specialist for at least a few more years. Mostly I want him signed just because it's Stamkos though.

Can anyone remember when we first locked onto this power play we're playing? With Kuch, Hedman, Stamkos, Point and whoever as the fifth guy. It's been a pleasure to watch for many years and I don't want it to stop just yet.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

He still has an incredible ability to finish, something that nobody else on that team can say except for 1-2 guys.

Also after watching two games of playoff Duclair, i'd be in no major rush to sign him.

 

[JoVel]

He still has an incredible ability to finish, something that nobody else on that team can say except for 1-2 guys.

Also after watching two games of playoff Duclair, i'd be in no major rush to sign him.

I had never been a fan of him, and while he looked decent for a while, the fact that he hasn't stuck in one team for more than a few years in his career has to say something.

 

[Soul Assumption]

Is it possible to sign him for 4m/8y instead of 8m/4y? and then just put him on LTIR in 4 years when he retires. it's the same amount of money for him and no problem with capspace for TBL.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Is it possible to sign him for 4m/8y instead of 8m/4y? and then just put him on LTIR in 4 years when he retires. it's the same amount of money for him and no problem with capspace for TBL.

$7 million AAV for 3 years would be optimal.

 

[Hoek]

If we have a better idea than signing Duclair or and some other meh guy on D with Stamkos' money, I'm all ears, but otherwise might just have to stick with the captain.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

He went all out tonight. Sadly, very little from everyone else. He's deserving of a medium term extension to finish out his career in Tampa

 

[Stammertime91]

Hoping this series isn't the last of him in Tampa. He's still 40 goals too good to just let walk and expect replacements to pick up the slack. Hope the term and value gets worked out so he stays. Maybe put him with Kucherov and see if those two can remember one is better at passing and the other is better at shooting.