Post-Game Talk: STAYING ALIVE Leafs Win 2-1

[blue stick]

Holl should not be in the lineup

He takes a stupid penalty, and then he literally covers no one on Florida's only goal

Both Holl and Brodie were positioned poorly on that play.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Leafs had not been swept since losing a 5 game series to the Isles in 1981 3-0.

And the last 7 games series they had been swept in was in 1979 against the Habs.

Thank goodness they won so we didn’t have to hear about that.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

If you're a Leafs fan you have to be ticked off today. Perhaps FLA didn't have their A-Game last night, but all TOR did was keep a sound defensive posture. They blocked shots and limited their turn-overs. If that's all it takes then where were they in the first 3 games? It seems to me that TOR is a decent team with a coach who always seems to get in the way.

 

[The Apologist]

If either says they’re not re-signing a la Tkachuk, you would just let them walk rather than trade them? Isn’t getting something for them better than nothing ?

I just don't see a world where either says that.

 

[NJG]

Woll was good. He's a beast for sure but the Leafs played well defensively.

I really think you're underestimating Woll's game pretty heavily. At the end of the day, he's the best goalie in this organization at the moment. And no not because he's more athletic or dynamic then Samsonov... But because he just plays smart, in position, just being square to shots, not biting on everything and he's just calm and positionally sound, he doesn't swim around the net, over slide out of the net or out of position, etc.

Yeah the defense played well but we all know the leaf's problems in front of the net... can't find the puck, or as soon as they get it in front of the net they get rid of it right away because they're afraid to turn it over or get hit or make a bad pass or pass it back to Florida. All of Woll's clutch saves with absolutely no rebounds or knocking the rebounds away from danger we're very key to helping the defense play well and not coughing up the puck.

 

[Al14]

The last six games the Leafs have scored two goals. You're walking a fine line when that happens. We need to bury our opportunities.

This season, because of a suspected wrist injury, Matthews shots has gone all Phaneuf like. I have never seen him miss the net as much as he has all season.

 

[rocketman588]

It's really sad that the Leafs have no one, absolutely no one, who can go after Gudas. I can't name a guy. Maybe Simmonds but then you are wasting a roster spot for 3-4 min of ice time for a guy who cannot play.

That play of poor Kampf was violent and no one did shit.

You need real tough SOBs for the playoffs.

Bennett knocked out a rookie and no response either.

Ratf*ck punching Marner no response. We dont expect Marner to do anything there and its the end of the game but will we see anything game 5? No.

The excuse will be its a critical game. Cant take stupid penalties. We get that. But grow some balls.



But Marner is our superstar. He is a white glove guy. Not a blue collar guy. I just wish we had someone who can answer the call in those situations.

Mcdavid tried to fight Petro it doesn't matter if you're a fighter at least jump on the guy.

Marner was grabbing the him in a scrum he has to expect something especially when everyone is fighting around him

 

[ITM]

If you're a Leafs fan you have to be ticked off today. Perhaps FLA didn't have their A-Game last night, but all TOR did was keep a sound defensive posture. They blocked shots and limited their turn-overs. If that's all it takes then where were they in the first 3 games? It seems to me that TOR is a decent team with a coach who always seems to get in the way.

Regular season success tease notwithstanding, there is a team within our group, but their motivational selectivity is absolutely systemic.

We looked sensational when Reilly was out. Whatever that is that pulls out the best of support players when primary players are out is a real thing. Its no different than what Cherry used to repeatedly point out about having a Alpha Dog in the room and the confusion that arises when you don't have the right mix of support players who may be Alphas in their own right.

Funny enough, Cam Neely in a recent end of season presser just cited a suspicion that one of the things that got to the Boston room was the idea repeated and repeated that a President's Trophy winner can't win the Stanley Cup.

Consider for a moment the disparity between Boston's (certainly robust) coverage vs Toronto's...So if its credible coming from Cam Neely and a very successful Boston Bruins club that is absolutely one of the best run organizations in the NHL, then...I think we have to continue to identify that perhaps this organization's culture is too enmeshed with the city's emotional disposition (fans and media alike) in order to consistently play a defensively responsible brand of hockey.

And I think the cure for it was part of Lou Lamoriello brought in his non-negotiable structure. I think that's EXACTLY what this club needs, not so much for the personalities of players, but because the culture of the club's identity requires filtering in a systematic fashion.

I think Toronto is the perfect NHL franchise to affect a kind of necessary elitism. We should have codes up and down the organization that almost make us look like a throwback to the 60s.

That's difficult to do when the foundation of the club is young, like we were six seven years ago. I think now that this club is teetering, years on with an inevitably maturing group, adopting a stricter approach all around is the next step in changing our culture for the better and one I'd argue, that if its strong enough from within, will be supported by the fans in spite of the media, from without.

 

[Al14]

They always allow that end of game stuff, so its not surprising or all that different


The hit Gudas lays likely gets another look if the jerseys are reversed

I have NO DOUBT he would have gotten 5 and a game misconduct if he were a Leaf !!!

And then, the NHL DOPS would have suspended him for the rest of the series.

The NHL is crooked as hell, and they don't give a damn that it is so blatantly obvious !!!

 

[Gabriel426]

If you're a Leafs fan you have to be ticked off today. Perhaps FLA didn't have their A-Game last night, but all TOR did was keep a sound defensive posture. They blocked shots and limited their turn-overs. If that's all it takes then where were they in the first 3 games? It seems to me that TOR is a decent team with a coach who always seems to get in the way.

I think we all be piss off since Game 1, lol

 

[Gabriel426]

Regular season success tease notwithstanding, there is a team within our group, but their motivational selectivity is absolutely systemic.

We looked sensational when Reilly was out. Whatever that is that pulls out the best of support players when primary players are out is a real thing. Its no different than what Cherry used to repeatedly point out about having a Alpha Dog in the room and the confusion that arises when you don't have the right mix of support players who may be Alphas in their own right.

Funny enough, Cam Neely in a recent end of season presser just cited a suspicion that one of the things that got to the Boston room was the idea repeated and repeated that a President's Trophy winner can't win the Stanley Cup.

Consider for a moment the disparity between Boston's (certainly robust) coverage vs Toronto's...So if its credible coming from Cam Neely and a very successful Boston Bruins club that is absolutely one of the best run organizations in the NHL, then...I think we have to continue to identify that perhaps this organization's culture is too enmeshed with the city's emotional disposition (fans and media alike) in order to consistently play a defensively responsible brand of hockey.

And I think the cure for it was part of Lou Lamoriello brought in his non-negotiable structure. I think that's EXACTLY what this club needs, not so much for the personalities of players, but because the culture of the club's identity requires filtering in a systematic fashion.

I think Toronto is the perfect NHL franchise to affect a kind of necessary elitism. We should have codes up and down the organization that almost make us look like a throwback to the 60s.

That's difficult to do when the foundation of the club is young, like we were six seven years ago. I think now that this club is teetering, years on with an inevitably maturing group, adopting a stricter approach all around is the next step in changing our culture for the better and one I'd argue, that if its strong enough from within, will be supported by the fans in spite of the media, from without.

Great post. I believe it starts with buy in from the top players.

 

[WillNy29]

Let’s hope that hit doesn’t get a suspension. The league is getting too soft as it is.

If DOPS reviews any hit it would be the Montour hit on Rielly at the end of the game.

lol the guy took liked 5 strides and delivered a hit after the whistle....that not "tough" that's soft and dirty that's the definition of a charging penalty what are you talking about

 

[therealkoho]

Bro you cant say that without saying why.

Oh I don't know about that, it's a really hip and in saying for the young hipsters these days, and they are applying it to the "occasional whipping boy," so it's kinda like I dunno kinda slick like cool daddy-yo and a part of being in the kool kids klique!

 

[JT AM da real deal]

As long as this idiot Bettman is still running the show, it'll never be consistent. You don't see shit like this in any other sport. Imagine this happening after an NFL game or a UFC/Boxing match. There would be fines/suspensions all over the place.

You're allowing this shit to happen after the team already lost, they're trying to injure other players this isn't hockey. McCabe could have suffered a serious injury, you can break Marners nose with jabs, the Panthers players know there's no penalty after the game is over so they do whatever they want. It's pathetic and it pisses me the f*** off because our guys know they can't do the same shit back or DOPS will be immediately tweeting about it followed by a suspension.

It is why I think at some point da Rangers Habs Leafs Vegas will get together and form a SUPER NHL league .. maybe top 8-10 teams in current league who can afford to at least DOUBLE salaries and attract da best of da best to play under a more rigid set of rules with an enforcement group not part of ownership .. da hockey will improve significantly and we can get rid of Jacobs and his gang of 10 nickelmeisters who can play tier 2 nhl with a CAP .. top team from tier 2 can advance to tier 1 and bottom tier 1 team drops down

 

[therealkoho]

34 was still underwhelming, “superstar” looks an embarrassing tag, never another gear. Don’t get it.

Resting on his Hart with a Rocket on each arm.

He's just not a Conn Smythe kind of guy. And yes that was a double entendre.

 

[Beaumaris]

Tkachuk the rat f***, of course he grabs the smallest guy

Lost a lot of respect for him,cowardly bastard.

 

[hockeyes]

Mcdavid tried to fight Petro it doesn't matter if you're a fighter at least jump on the guy.

Marner was grabbing the him in a scrum he has to expect something especially when everyone is fighting around him

LOL McDavid did not try to fight, he came over to give a whack and was more than happy to let the ref step between when Petro dropped the gloves

 

[Gabriel426]

It is why I think at some point da Rangers Habs Leafs Vegas will get together and form a SUPER NHL league .. maybe top 8-10 teams in current league who can afford to at least DOUBLE salaries and attract da best of da best to play under a more rigid set of rules with an enforcement group not part of ownership .. da hockey will improve significantly and we can get rid of Jacobs and his gang of 10 nickelmeisters who can play tier 2 nhl with a CAP .. top team from tier 2 can advance to tier 1 and bottom tier 1 team drops down

Basically a Div 1 and Div 2 Hockey.
Doubt it bc owners being left behind will be piss about it.
I do love the idea though, as teams in the top will have better players throughout the lineup and the competition will be great. And it will be great for teams in the bottom to fight it out till the end of the season.
What I also like to see is adopt some of the Euro football rules, like transfer window period, where teams can only make trade within a set period of the time in the season like Jan 15-Feb 15. And how the teams need to be financial stable to stay within or league or they will need to get salary out. A Luxury Tax like the NBA would be good too.

 

[therealkoho]

Does he need to kill a person on the ice?

I have no idea what games some of these "fans" are watching. Some unfamiliar user names suggests in all likelihood some very casual fans who probably never really played the game, and also like riding the negative wave.

The majority of us saw what went on, who played well and who still needs to get it going.

 

[Gabriel426]

Lost a lot of respect for him,cowardly bastard.

Not to diss on MM bc he played a good game but the look on his face when he got punched was like, ‘Bro, this is Mitch, don’t you remembered me, we grew up together and we played fortnight or Roblox last night. I gave you my weapons in that game…’

 

[Darcy Tucker]

It is why I think at some point da Rangers Habs Leafs Vegas will get together and form a SUPER NHL league .. maybe top 8-10 teams in current league who can afford to at least DOUBLE salaries and attract da best of da best to play under a more rigid set of rules with an enforcement group not part of ownership .. da hockey will improve significantly and we can get rid of Jacobs and his gang of 10 nickelmeisters who can play tier 2 nhl with a CAP .. top team from tier 2 can advance to tier 1 and bottom tier 1 team drops down

Turning the NHL into European soccer style tiers. You're too much

 

[therealkoho]

Soooooo we need to win the series, but I NEED to see some violence against these guys. Big hits. Show them whose boss because that ending was gutless.

Florida is a Gutless team. We need to destroy them. Game 5 is going to be insane.

Matthews missing posters need to go up soon, need him go dress for game 5 guys lol.

I find it hard to believe two things, the first is the 2 min highsticking, the blood and no explanation from the league.

The second is not a peep from the league about that ending which was cowardly on Florida's part. Although in saying that Maurices teams have always been chippy and only verging on dirty.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

 

[therealkoho]

It's still a massive long shot to come back in the series, but if they have any hope at all, they will have to bare down defensively the way they did last night the rest of the way.

Don't put your house on it but if you have an extra hundred or 5 hanging around, lay it down.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Turning the NHL into European soccer style tiers. You're too much

I am just sick an tired of Bettman race to help da bottom feeders .. he is a socialist lawyer hired by da gang .. i hate socialists .. and Jacobs who is a cheap youknowwhat..you can't say what i am thinking on here anymore but you know -- takes advantage with massive dividends for himself .. i have nothing against him enriching himself but not by ripping off da players which he has done forever back to Orr days what a *** .. it truly is a sh*t show since he and ballard came along