Player Discussion: Stanley
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garret9
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Stanley Update:
IMO Micah's model is better than RAPM/GAR/xGAR in small samples due to using last season as a weak prior rather than starting everyone at 0 (still recomend looking at both).
Before Stanley was looking like a hurt offense but hurt opponent offense about equally player, which is good for a depth, 3rd pairing type. As sample has expanded he's not looking as good defensively.
Now that sounds negative but let's put this in context:
* Only Jets' D posting better 5v5 numbers this season are DeMelo, Forbort, and Pionk
* These numbers are relative to average, so an average #5/6 isn't normally going to be killing it
* He's a rookie so obvious learning curve
His 5v5 icetime has actually gone down, and despite playing more games his very low QoC keeps staying very low. So still staying heavily, heavily sheltered compared to what we normally see. Raw/unadjsuted numbers at least suggest a bit lesser sheltering to learn more about Stanley and also give him some more reps could be beneficial.
Still looks to me like a #5/6 guy who will peak in the #4 range on a good team if he progresses well. Obviously with projections slightly higher and slightly lower are possible, but I'd say that middle ground is most likely given current performance.
IMO Micah's model is better than RAPM/GAR/xGAR in small samples due to using last season as a weak prior rather than starting everyone at 0 (still recomend looking at both).
Before Stanley was looking like a hurt offense but hurt opponent offense about equally player, which is good for a depth, 3rd pairing type. As sample has expanded he's not looking as good defensively.
Now that sounds negative but let's put this in context:
* Only Jets' D posting better 5v5 numbers this season are DeMelo, Forbort, and Pionk
* These numbers are relative to average, so an average #5/6 isn't normally going to be killing it
* He's a rookie so obvious learning curve
His 5v5 icetime has actually gone down, and despite playing more games his very low QoC keeps staying very low. So still staying heavily, heavily sheltered compared to what we normally see. Raw/unadjsuted numbers at least suggest a bit lesser sheltering to learn more about Stanley and also give him some more reps could be beneficial.
Still looks to me like a #5/6 guy who will peak in the #4 range on a good team if he progresses well. Obviously with projections slightly higher and slightly lower are possible, but I'd say that middle ground is most likely given current performance.
Teemusalami204
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Keep playing solid and start punching guys out and slamming them through the glass and he won’t ever leave our line up. He has a chance to carve out a spot that every single player on this team will appreciate and respect.
#FreeStanley?
Sidenote: Perreault though
Sidenote: Perreault though
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Gabe Kupari
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rubikscube
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At least he'll try force them outside instead of Beaulieu letting them walk straight to the net lol
well it's either him or niku. and niku is completely a defensive liability. when we first played the leafs he was the worst of all Jets players in shot attempts against (per toi)
size/reach and iq can help with that.
Hulide
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Beaulieu out 3-4 weeks... so its Stanley time again..
DannyGallivan
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He's not anywhere near as slow or cumbersome as some people say. They sound like they just read a scouting report on him from three years ago.
He doesn't need great speed as long as he doesn't let anybody behind him, anyways. Besides, other than Morrissey and Pionk, who has great footspeed on our defense?
I thought Stanley played ok in the games he's played this season and we could use a little size on our defense.
DannyGallivan
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I was pleasantly surprised, and in many cases, downright impressed.
strong game again last night. guy needs to be in the line-up consistently.
need more of this
need more of this
White Out 902
I'm usually right.
I cant remember the last time taking a 1st rounder as project worked out like this. He's really proving the scouting staff/Chevy to be patient and smart on this one.
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Tough to figure out how the Jets coaches can’t see that Stanley is a significant upgrade over Beaulieu. He should stay.
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DannyGallivan
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As I said in another thread, I half believe that Maurice is sitting Stanley to hide him from the Seattle scouts. Maybe they'll find another unheralded defenseman on another team that they'd like more. I would be sooooooo disappointed if we lost him after all the development we put in and how far he has come.
He’s doing well but no one can hide a guy who is 6’7. He is doing great, but we have better in the wings.
Mud Turtle
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I’d say he’s been one of our steadiest defensemen.
I don’t worry when the puck is on his stick like I do with others (cough boo boo cough).
He’s done everything asked of him and more. He should absolutely stay in the lineup.
Would he be eligible for the expansion draft?
I don’t worry when the puck is on his stick like I do with others (cough boo boo cough).
He’s done everything asked of him and more. He should absolutely stay in the lineup.
Would he be eligible for the expansion draft?
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strong game again last night. guy needs to be in the line-up consistently.
need more of this
Stanley is big - but we haven't seen any hints of Buff 2.0 from him.
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If we don't lose him we will have to lose another player we have invested a lot of development in and who has come far. Not saying I want them to take Stanley, but we could do worse. We have to lose someone.
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The above couple of statements not withstanding, I came here to say how impressed I am with Stanley's play. I thought the fast Leafs forwards would expose him, but he performed well.
Stanley is playing good hockey. Boy you should never see the ice again if this is the case
GJF
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After his first pre-season game, I posted something along the lines of
... where is the crow?
... where is the crow?
Huffer
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I've been happy with Stanley's play so far. For a bottom pair guy getting his first real stretch of NHL games, I think he's held his own. He has good hands and can move the puck better than guys like Forbert and Beaulieu already.
His reach more than makes up for his 'lack' of speed (I think people are seeing big man syndrome, long strides = slow, same thing happened with Antropov)
Theres been a few times where I thought that Stanley's gap wasn't tight enough but he still managed to knock the puck away or block a shot.
