Speculation: Stammergeddon: Part 8

[Coach Parker]

What are his rights (to allow a team to sign him for the 8 year maximum) worth?

How/where would Khokhlachev fit into Tampa Bay's lineup?

I thought Yzerman could easily get a top prospect NHL ready and a conditional 2nd (Edmonton's) from a team if he signs with them.

Actually this does work.

Tampa Bay signs the contract with Stamkos for the 8 years and then moves him to the team for the assets.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/stamkos-sign-trade-real-possibility/

 

[tjs*]

i love boyle so want him resigned for 2 or 3 more years at 2 million so id say no to anything with bozak whatsoever

I'm a big fan of Boyle too but Bozak at roughly the same price would be a pretty significant improvement to our scoring depth, plus unlike Boyle he could play in our top six if need be. In any event at 50% retained we'd have no difficulty moving him in 2017 if for some reason we did want to keep Boyle over him.

 

[Jerkini]

Actually this does work.

Tampa Bay signs the contract with Stamkos for the 8 years and then moves him to the team for the assets.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/stamkos-sign-trade-real-possibility/

Why would a team give up a top prospect just to do Stamkos a favour? Teams want less term, not more. I don't see the value.

 

[Todd1a]

Why would a team give up a top prospect just to do Stamkos a favour? Teams want less term, not more. I don't see the value.

because stamkos can get more money and a lower cap hit for that team. if they are not willing to do a 8 year deal for stamkos then he might tell that team no thanks.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

because stamkos can get more money and a lower cap hit for that team. if they are not willing to do a 8 year deal for stamkos then he might tell that team no thanks.

That's exactly what we're offering pal ! 8 years, more money and a lower cap hit.

He wants to test free agency, he wants to see what's out there, he wants to feel the thrill.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Why would a team give up a top prospect just to do Stamkos a favour? Teams want less term, not more. I don't see the value.

I think it would be one of the conditions that would get him to go there. I want to go to your team but want 8 years. We can negotiate the contract, have TB sign off on it and then you give TB something to make them complete the deal. Probably wouldn't be too much to give up either. Maybe 2nd round pick??

 

[Todd1a]

That's exactly what we're offering pal ! 8 years, more money and a lower cap hit.

He wants to test free agency, he wants to see what's out there, he wants to feel the thrill.

Not really he might want to play close to home but not play for Toronto hints Detroit and buffalo

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Not really he might want to play close to home but not play for Toronto hints Detroit and buffalo

I think he'll end up in Buffalo too but that doesn't prevent him to see who's proposing what. He'll be one the most coveted FA of the salary cap era, no way in hell he doesn't test it. Weirdly put, that's his destiny.

 

[Todd1a]

I think he'll end up in Buffalo too but that doesn't prevent him to see who's proposing what. He'll be one the most coveted FA of the salary cap era, no way in hell he doesn't test it. Weirdly put, that's his destiny.

Ya but after July 1st he can't get 8 years

 

[DFC]

Ideally, you'd have two teams bidding over who could give Stamkos the eighth year.

 

[Todd1a]

Ideally, you'd have two teams bidding over who could give Stamkos the eighth year.

Yep I would think buffalo vs Toronto and buffalo has more assets I'd want

 

[Coach Parker]

I think it would be one of the conditions that would get him to go there. I want to go to your team but want 8 years. We can negotiate the contract, have TB sign off on it and then you give TB something to make them complete the deal. Probably wouldn't be too much to give up either. Maybe 2nd round pick??

Yzerman seemed to be warm to the idea and I think Khokhlachev on the 3rd line centre role in Tampa Bay is a perfect fit. Maybe too much from Boston for an extra year of Stamkos but I guess everything will fall into place Friday.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Yzerman seemed to be warm to the idea and I think Khokhlachev on the 3rd line centre role in Tampa Bay is a perfect fit. Maybe too much from Boston for an extra year of Stamkos but I guess everything will fall into place Friday.

KHL Khokhlachev?

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

i think anyone wanting stamkos back should go to his twitter

https://twitter.com/RealStamkos91 or @realstamkos91 and tweet him simply

‪#‎UNFINISHEDBUSINESS‬

 

[CupsOverCash]

i think anyone wanting stamkos back should go to his twitter

https://twitter.com/RealStamkos91 or @realstamkos91 and tweet him simply

‪#‎UNFINISHEDBUSINESS‬

If he wants to do that, take less money. #CupsOverCash

 

[LightningStrikes]

 

[RegularSznAllStars]

Interesting considering there is talk about promising him advertising money. Is this legal? Can you write into a contract to promise someone money from outside sources?

 

[dechire]

Interesting considering there is talk about promising him advertising money. Is this legal? Can you write into a contract to promise someone money from outside sources?

No that would be cap circumvention

 

[chasespace]

Interesting considering there is talk about promising him advertising money. Is this legal? Can you write into a contract to promise someone money from outside sources?

The trick is to not write it into the contract. Hence why the mayor and a major CEO are in the meeting.

 

[DFC]

No that would be cap circumvention

The trick is to not write it into the contract. Hence why the mayor and a major CEO are in the meeting.

Just having the guy present, to me, is very, very clear cap circumvention. This is the kind of thing Nick Kypreos was talking about three months ago that was obvious wink-wink-nudge-nudge cap circumvention. I doubt the NHL WILL do anything about this, but considering Jim Benning got fined for just being stupid, this just isn't right.

I don't care that the mayor is there. But I don't get why there's a Canadian Tire CEO there unless it's to signal to Stamkos that there's more money than what's actually in the contract. Especially considering it's a Canadian company, i.e., this is money that's not available to him elsewhere.

 

[RegularSznAllStars]

Just having the guy present, to me, is very, very clear cap circumvention. This is the kind of thing Nick Kypreos was talking about three months ago that was obvious wink-wink-nudge-nudge cap circumvention. I doubt the NHL WILL do anything about this, but considering Jim Benning got fined for just being stupid, this just isn't right.

I don't care that the mayor is there. But I don't get why there's a Canadian Tire CEO there unless it's to signal to Stamkos that there's more money than what's actually in the contract. Especially considering it's a Canadian company, i.e., this is money that's not available to him elsewhere.

There was the report from McCown yesterday about the 3.5 million (https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/4qd2l6/mccown_source_the_maple_leafs_have_a_plan_to_give/) and how it is allegedly all legitimate. That, combined with the CEO showing up today, how is this not circumvention?

I do not mind him going to toronto, I just want him to go there are have a 13 million dollar cap hit so I can continue to LOL at Toronto fans. If he goes on a reasonable deal, it is much less fun.

 

[DaBolts]

If Stammer isn't going to sign with us, but does agree to a sign and trade, I say go for the death grip like Dallas did with Herschel Walker to Minnesota:

8 years 8.5 Million

Toronto has to take Matt Carle with Stammer and give us their next 6 1st round draft picks.

 

[dechire]

That McCown thing is total ******** because it violates the CBA in like 12 different ways. Like blatantly violates it, not some "maybe our lawyers can sweep it away" type thing

 

[DaBolts]

There was the report from McCown yesterday about the 3.5 million (https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/4qd2l6/mccown_source_the_maple_leafs_have_a_plan_to_give/) and how it is allegedly all legitimate. That, combined with the CEO showing up today, how is this not circumvention?

I do not mind him going to toronto, I just want him to go there are have a 13 million dollar cap hit so I can continue to LOL at Toronto fans. If he goes on a reasonable deal, it is much less fun.

They can discuss "potential" endorsement values but no firm contracts. IF we could do the sign and trade and dump Carle on them, I say go for it.

 

[DFC]

There was the report from McCown yesterday about the 3.5 million (https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/4qd2l6/mccown_source_the_maple_leafs_have_a_plan_to_give/) and how it is allegedly all legitimate. That, combined with the CEO showing up today, how is this not circumvention?

I do not mind him going to toronto, I just want him to go there are have a 13 million dollar cap hit so I can continue to LOL at Toronto fans. If he goes on a reasonable deal, it is much less fun.

It's cap circumvention for sure. It'll start a wave of this, where rich teams in hockey crazed markets will find ways to pay players with non-cap money. If the NHL actually cares about parity, they'll snuff this out.

That said, I kind of want them to throw the moon at Stamkos because it scares me what our team will look like if he returns.