Line Combos: Spezza to ignite Marner's goal scoring!

landeskog11

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Would like to see Spezza with Marner more often, and Taveres with Mathews, playmakers with goal scorers.

also would like to see defencemen/forwards use their speed more to skate the puck out of d'zone.
 

Notsince67

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Would like to see Spezza with Marner more often, and Taveres with Mathews, playmakers with goal scorers.

also would like to see defencemen/forwards use their speed more to skate the puck out of d'zone.
Since Marner came back, his line has been the best possession line on the team 5x5. Why mess with something that isnt broken?
 

67Leafs67

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Not sure what you mean by 'playmakers with goalscorers', as Spezza & Marner have both traditionally been playmakers, and Tavares & Matthews have both been primarily goalscorers. Currently Marner is the playmaker to Tavares, and Matthews has Nylander as his primary playmaker. Like Notsince67 said, why fix what isn't broken?
 

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Let Hyman Tavares and Marner do their thing finally they are all healthy and back on track. We need them humming like last year every night.

What we need to do know is get Matty and Willy humming again too. This guy who they played with them last night is not it. Sorry but he is AHL level. Same with Petan AHL level. Give Kork a chance maybe? or even Mik? or Marchment? Someone with some size who will fight for loose pucks like Hyman.
 

Buds17

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I guess this depends on defining how often would be considered ''more often''? Marner was third on the team last season in goals. If anything cuts into this season's total, it'll probably be that he's already missed games due to injury. Matthews and Tavares are currently the top two on the team in goals. Tavares would figure to have a few more if he also didn't miss some time due to injury. Spezza has provided great value, but lining up with Marner (assuming a healthy group of forwards) sounds like it might be expecting too much.
 

Notsince67

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Let Hyman Tavares and Marner do their thing finally they are all healthy and back on track. We need them humming like last year every night.

What we need to do know is get Matty and Willy humming again too. This guy who they played with them last night is not it. Sorry but he is AHL level. Same with Petan AHL level. Give Kork a chance maybe? or even Mik? or Marchment? Someone with some size who will fight for loose pucks like Hyman.
That line will get sorted out. My guess is that Keefe wants to give the incumbents a chance before he moves in a newbie. The good news is that people are competing for jobs again. Just dont f with Matthews and Nylander anymore. Nylander looks as good as he ever did and the team cant risk his confidence.
 
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Ashdown2

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how about we dont mess with the hyman - tavares - marner line ......
the one good stable line that has actually played together for more than 50 games
 

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Not sure what you mean by 'playmakers with goalscorers', as Spezza & Marner have both traditionally been playmakers, and Tavares & Matthews have both been primarily goalscorers. Currently Marner is the playmaker to Tavares, and Matthews has Nylander as his primary playmaker. Like Notsince67 said, why fix what isn't broken?
Tavares has always had a pretty middle ground distribution of goals vs assists. He's only had more goals than assists twice in his NHL career. One reason it happened last year, it was the first time he played with a truly high-end playmaker. Secondly, for the first time in his career, his teams PP didn't run primarily through him lessening the number of touches he got on the PP and thereby reducing his assists in a likely scoring situation.

As for line-combos, it is pretty clear both Matthews and Tavares line work best with a gritty 3rd wheel who can win the puck back and not try to do too much. Kapanen and Johnson both tried to do too much. One, Spezza isn't going to be winning races down the ice and put on a heavy forecheck, and two, he is a guy who likes to hold onto the puck. Considering how often Barrie and Rielly like to activate in the offensive zone, it seems guys such as Hyman, Moore, and Miki, work better with their minimalist game over guys who try to control the puck and make things happen such as Johnson and Kapanen.
 
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93LEAFS

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....which of these strikes you as a playmaker?
Tavares can essentially be whatever you want him to be offensively and can adapt to the role. You put him with Okposo or Anders Lee he'll be the primary playmaker, you put him with Marner or Bailey, he'll be the trigger man. His high-end offensive IQ, and puck control allow him to be extremely adaptable. Matthews has it much more ingrained in him to shoot at any decent opportunity, which makes sense due to his superior shot.
 

93LEAFS

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That might have something to do with 2 assists being given out on every 1 goal.
Except it shows he's a playmaker. He's always been a very versatile offensive player. Compared to Matthews who hasn't had a single season in the NHL where he had more assists than goals.

And, your statement is factually incorrect. 2 assists can be given out on every goal, but there is something called an unassisted goal. There is going to be more goals than assists, but it is misleading to think there is a 2 to 1 correlation.
 

tmlms13

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Except it shows he's a playmaker. He's always been a very versatile offensive player. Compared to Matthews who hasn't had a single season in the NHL where he had more assists than goals.

And, your statement is factually incorrect. 2 assists can be given out on every goal, but there is something called an unassisted goal. There is going to be more goals than assists, but it is misleading to think there is a 2 to 1 correlation.

Number of goal scored with 0 or 1 assist vs number of goals scored with 2 assists is probably 10% vs 90%
 

93LEAFS

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Number of goal scored with 0 or 1 assist vs number of goals scored with 2 assists is probably 10% vs 90%
I'd assume its lower than that. I'm not going to do the math for every team, but last year the Leafs scored 286 goals and got 460 assists. Which gave a ratio of 1.61 assists to goal. Your estimation would have a correlation of somewhere between 1.80 and 1.90, and I doubt the Leafs over one season skewed that far from the typical norm.

Edit: Just did the math for 2017-18, we had 445 assists to 277 goals, so a ratio of 1.61 again.
 
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Incetardis

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Ya this is a ridiculous take. Don't mind having Spezza playing higher up in the lineup every once in awhile but not to "ignite" Mariner's goal scoring. Mitch is the best playmaker on the team and never going to be an elite goal scorer. Leave him playing with the elite goal scorers (Matthews & Tavares). I think Keefe has already figured this out
 

Duke Silver

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Except it shows he's a playmaker. He's always been a very versatile offensive player. Compared to Matthews who hasn't had a single season in the NHL where he had more assists than goals.

And, your statement is factually incorrect. 2 assists can be given out on every goal, but there is something called an unassisted goal. There is going to be more goals than assists, but it is misleading to think there is a 2 to 1 correlation.

Oh stop being so pedantic. You know what I meant.

What do I have to say: on average more than 1 assist is given out per goal? You should be able to decipher the point being made.
 

MarMarSab3

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What I'd like to see eventually is Nylander with Tavares to ease the transition of Nylander to C and Tavares to LW
 

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