Soviet Norris

[Namba 17]

Results are from here:

https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/international-european-award-all-star-voting.2519977/#post-172095679

Of coure, its not 100% Norris. There was no one in the USSR.
I just took MVP voting, extracted D-men results and presented it.
But its interesting nevertheless

1967-1968

1.Alexander Ragulin (CSKA).
2. Viktor Blinov (Spartak)
3. Vitali Davydov (Dinamo)

1968-1969

1. Vitali Davydov (Dinamo)
2. Yevgeni Paladyev (Spartak)
3. Valeri Kuzmin (Spartak)
4. Alexander Ragulin (CSKA)
5. Grigori Velizhanin (Sverdlovsk)

1969-1970

1. Vitali Davydov (Dinamo)
2. Yevgeni Paladyev (Spartak)
3. Yuri Lyapkin (Spartak)
4. Valeri Nikitin (Voskresensk)

1970-1971

1 Vladimir Lutchenko (CSKA)
2, Gennadi Tsygankov (CSKA)
3, Viktor Kuzkin (CSKA)
4, Vitali Davydov (Dinamo)
5, Yuri Lyapkin (Spartak)

1971-1972

1, Alexander Ragulin (CSKA)
2, Vladimir Lutchenko (CSKA)
3, Gennadi Tsygankov (CSKA)

1972-1973

1 Valeri Vasilyev (Dinamo)
2, Alexander Gusev (CSKA)
3, Alexander Ragulin (CSKA)

1973-1974

1 Valeri Vasilyev (Dinamo)
2 Vladimir Lutchenko (CSKA)
3 Valeri Kuzmin (Krylya Sovietov)

1974-1975

1 Valeri Vasilyev (Dinamo)
2 Vladimir Lutchenko (CSKA)
3 Vladimir Astafyev (Gorky)

1975-1976

1 Vladimir Lutchenko (CSKA)
2 Valeri Vasilyev (Dinamo)
3 Alexander Gusev (CSKA)
4 Gennadi Tsygankov (CSKA)

1976-1977

1 Vasili Pervukhin (Dinamo)
2 Valeri Vasilyev (Dinamo)
3 Nikolai Makarov (Chelyabinsk)
4 Vyacheslav Nazarov (Riga)

1977-1978

1 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA)
2 Zinetula Bilyaletdinov (Dinamo)
3 Vasili Pervukhin (Dinamo)
4 Valeri Vasilyev (Dinamo)
5 Vladimir Lutchenko (CSKA)

1979-1980

1 Valeri Vasilyev (Dinamo)
2 Vasili Pervukhin (Dinamo)
3 Alexei Kasatonov (CSKA)
4 Zinetula Bilyaletdinov (Dinamo)

1980-1981
1. Valeri Vasilyev (Dinamo)
2 Alexei Kasatonov (CSKA)
3 Nikolai Makarov (Chelyabinsk)

1981-1982

1 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA)
2 Valeri Vasilyev (Dinamo)
3 Alexei Kasatonov (CSKA)
4 Vasili Pervukhin (Dinamo)

1982-1983

1 yacheslav Fetisov (CSKA)
2 Alexei Kasatonov (CSKA)
3 Vasili Pervukhin (Dinamo)

1983-1984

1 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA)
2 Alexei Kasatonov (CSKA)

1984-1985

1 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA)
2 Vasili Pervukhin (Dinamo)
3 lexei Kasatonov (CSKA)
4 Yuri Fyodorov (Gorky)

1985-1986

1 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA)
2 Alexei Kasatonov (CSKA)
3 Vasili Pervukhin (Dinamo)
4 Mikhail Tatarinov (Kiev)

1986-1987

1 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA)
2 Alexei Kasatonov (CSKA)
3 Vasili Pervukhin (Dinamo)
4 Mikhail Tatarinov (Dinamo)
5 Sergei Starikov (CSKA)
6 Igor Stelnov (CSKA)

1987-1988

1 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA)
2 Alexei Kasatonov (CSKA)

1988-1989

1 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA)
2 Valeri Shiryayev (Kiev)
3 Alexei Kasatonov (CSKA)
4 lya Byakin (Sverdlovsk)
5 Svyatoslav Khalizov (Leningrad)


Summary for "Norris"

Fetisov 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1
Vasiliev 1, 1, 1, 1 ,1, 2, 2, 2, 4,
Kasatonov 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3,
Pervoukhin 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4
Lutchenko 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 5
Ragulin 1, 1, 3, 4
Davydov 1, 1, 3, 4
Kuzkin 3
Tsygankov 2, 3, 4
Paladiev 2, 2
Gusev 2, 3
Billyaletdinov 2, 4,
V. Kuzmin 3, 3
N.Makarov 3, 3
Lyapkin 3, 5
Tatarinov 4, 4

Summary for Soviet best players lists appearance

Vasiliev 11 (+2 (77/78), (79/80))
Fetisov 10 ( +3 (77/78), (79/80), (84/85))
Pevoukhin 10 (+3 (77/78), (79/80), (84/85))
Davydov 13
Ragulin 12 (+1 (71/72))
Lutchenko 10 (+2 (71/72), (77/78))
Sologubov 5 + 6 (retroaktive)
Kasatonov 9 (+2 (79/80), (84/85))
Byllyaletdinov 9 (+2 (77/78), (79/80))
Kuzkin 10
Ivanov 8
Lyapkin 7
Babinov 7
Starikov 7
Brezhnev 7
A.Makarov 7
Tregubov 3 + 4 (retroaktive)
Tsygankov 6 (+1 (71/72))
Romishevskiy 6
Zaytsev 6
Yu. Fyodorov 5 (+1 (84/85))
Stelnov 5
Gusarov 5
Gusev 4
I.Gimayev 4
Tyurikov 4
Kuzmin 4
Sidorenkov 4
N. Makarov 3
Tatarinov 3
Paladyev 2

Summary for WC best D-man / all stars

Best D
Fetisov - 5
Vasiliev - 3
Sologubov - 3
Tregubov - 2
Kasatonov - 1
Ragulin - 1
Davydov - 1

All star
Fetisov - 7
Vasiliev - 5
Ragulin - 5
Kasatonov - 4
Gusev - 1

Summary for Izvestiya Cup (since 1969)

Best D
Fetisov - 2
Gusev - 1
Pervoukhin - 1

Edited 05.05.24. Added all summaries from the thread.

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[Professor What]

Looks like Kasatonov is the Brad Park of the Soviet League.

 

[Staniowski]

Pervukhin was always my favourite Soviet defenseman. He kind of gets lost among Fetisov, Vasiliev and Kasatonov, but was elite and consistent.

Also liked Kasatonov, who hit Gretzky perhaps more effectively than any other defenseman.

The other guy I really liked was Romishevsky, who doesn't appear on these lists. Really nice player.

Ragulin was excellent.

Tatarinov was very skilled.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Surprised to see Vasiliev grade out so well by this metric. Was it because his physicality was somewhat novel? I never found him to be as talented as some of the other names on that list...that said, I've seen him play exactly zero Soviet League games, of course...I can only go by international play and exhibition matches...

 

[Overrated]

I will always be a Lutchenko hater after that own goal in game 8 of SS72.

 

[Overrated]

Surprised to see Vasiliev grade out so well by this metric. Was it because his physicality was somewhat novel? I never found him to be as talented as some of the other names on that list...that said, I've seen him play exactly zero Soviet League games, of course...I can only go by international play and exhibition matches...

It's because the Soviet defense before Tikhonov was very weak. They were entirely carried by their forwards (and of course Tretiak). Vasiliev somewhat stood out compared to the rest. The Czechs were a notoriously defense oriented team.

 

[JackSlater]

I'm also surprised by Vasiliev, not that I really knew who his competition would be in the Soviet league other than Ragulin. I do find the defencemen the clear weakness of the great USSR teams.

I am curious from a Soviet perspective of what period would be considered the deepest on defence.

 

[Overrated]

I'm also surprised by Vasiliev, not that I really knew who his competition would be in the Soviet league other than Ragulin. I do find the defencemen the clear weakness of the great USSR teams.

I am curious from a Soviet perspective of what period would be considered the deepest on defence.

I'd say the whole Tikhonov era was quite strong in defense. If I had to pick I'd pick the early 80s.

 

[Namba 17]

I'm also surprised by Vasiliev, not that I really knew who his competition would be in the Soviet league other than Ragulin.

Ragulin was not his conpetition almost.

 

[Namba 17]

It's because the Soviet defense before Tikhonov was very weak.

Thanks god we have an expert here.

 

[Overrated]

Thanks god we have an expert here.

Not only it's true but it helps the pro-Soviet narrative. The Soviet forwards had to make up for their weak defense. People look at SS72 scoring numbers not realizing it was easier for the Canadians to score getting through the defense the Soviets assembled. I'd put like 7 Soviet forwards from the 1970s above Clarke or Dionne.

 

[Namba 17]

For this period of time (1967/68 - 1988/89) - WC best d-men/all stars from SU(Russia)

1973
Best D - Vasiliev
All-star - Gusev

1974
All-star - Vasiliev

1975
All-star - Vasiliev

1977
Best D - Vasiliev
All-star - Vasiliev

1978
Best D - Fetisov
All-star - Fetisov

1979
Best D - Vasiliev
All-star - Vasiliev

1981
All star - Vasiliev

1982
Best D - Fetisov
All star - Fetisov
All star - Kasatonov

1983
Best D - Kasatonov
All star - Fetisov
All star - Kasatonov

1985
Best D - Fetisov
All star - Fetisov
All star - Kasatonov

1986
Best D - Fetisov
All star - Fetisov
All star - Kasatonov

1987
All star - Fetisov

1989
Best D - Fetisov
All star - Fetisov

Summary

Best D
Fetisov - 5
Vasiliev - 3
Kasatonov - 1

All star
Fetisov - 7
Vasiliev - 5
Kasatonov - 4
Gusev - 1

 

[Namba 17]

Izvestiya Cup (since 1969)
Results for SU/Russian D-men (69-89)

1973
Best D - Gusev

1979
Best D - Pervoukhin

1983
Best D - Fetisov

1985
Best D - Fetisov

 

[Namba 17]

For 67-68 - 88-89 d-men appearence in Soviet best players.
There were no lists in 1972, 1978, 1980, 1985. Lists are here:

International & European Award & All-Star Voting

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Included d-men with more than 3 appearence, or the ones, who had some MVP votes
In parentheses I added seasons when there were no lists, but players appeared in MVP votes.

Vasiliev 11 (+2 (77/78), (79/80))
Fetisov 10 ( +3 (77/78), (79/80), (84/85))
Pevoukhin 10 (+3 (77/78), (79/80), (84/85))
Lutchenko 10 (+2 (71/72), (77/78))
Kasatonov 9 (+2 (79/80), (84/85))
Byllyaletdinov 9 (+2 (77/78), (79/80))
Lyapkin 7
Babinov 7
Starikov 7
Tsygankov 6 (+1 (71/72))
Ragulin 5 (+1 (71/72))
Yu. Fyodorov 5 (+1 (84/85))
Stelnov 5
Gusarov 5
Davydov 4
Kuzkin 4
Romishevskiy 4
Gusev 4
I.Gimayev 4
Tyurikov 4
N. Makarov 3
Tatarinov 3
Paladyev 2
Kuzmin 1

 

[Namba 17]

D-men in the list of Soviet best players before 67-68 (sinve 58-59)

Ragulin 7
Davydov 9
Sidorenkov 4
Ivanov 8
Kuzkin 6
Breznev 7
Kuzmin 3
A.Makarov 5 + 2 (since 67)
Zaytsev 5 + 1 (since 67)
Romishevskiy 2
Sologubov 5 + 6 (retroaktive)
Tregubov 3 + 4 (retroaktive)

 

[Namba 17]

Summary for Soviet D in the list of SU best players:

Vasiliev 11 (+2 (77/78), (79/80))
Fetisov 10 ( +3 (77/78), (79/80), (84/85))
Pevoukhin 10 (+3 (77/78), (79/80), (84/85))
Davydov 13
Ragulin 12 (+1 (71/72))
Lutchenko 10 (+2 (71/72), (77/78))
Sologubov 5 + 6 (retroaktive)
Kasatonov 9 (+2 (79/80), (84/85))
Byllyaletdinov 9 (+2 (77/78), (79/80))
Kuzkin 10
Ivanov 8
Lyapkin 7
Babinov 7
Starikov 7
Brezhnev 7
A.Makarov 7
Tregubov 3 + 4 (retroaktive)
Tsygankov 6 (+1 (71/72))
Romishevskiy 6
Zaytsev 6
Yu. Fyodorov 5 (+1 (84/85))
Stelnov 5
Gusarov 5
Gusev 4
I.Gimayev 4
Tyurikov 4
Kuzmin 4
Sidorenkov 4
N. Makarov 3
Tatarinov 3
Paladyev 2

 

[Namba 17]

WC best d-men/all stars from SU(Russia) before 1968

1956
Best D - Sologubov
All stars - N/A

1957
Best D - Sologubov
All stars - N/A

1958
Best D - Tregubov
All stars - N/A

1960
Best D - Sologubov
All stars - N/A

1961
Best D - Tregubov

1963
All stars - Ragulin

1964
All stars - Ragulin

1965
All stars - Ragulin

1966
Best D - Ragulin
All stars - Ragulin

1967
Best D - Davydov
All stars - Ragulin

For this period of time (1967/68 - 1988/89) - WC best d-men/all stars from SU(Russia)

1973
Best D - Vasiliev
All-star - Gusev

1974
All-star - Vasiliev

1975
All-star - Vasiliev

1977
Best D - Vasiliev
All-star - Vasiliev

1978
Best D - Fetisov
All-star - Fetisov

1979
Best D - Vasiliev
All-star - Vasiliev

1981
All star - Vasiliev

1982
Best D - Fetisov
All star - Fetisov
All star - Kasatonov

1983
Best D - Kasatonov
All star - Fetisov
All star - Kasatonov

1985
Best D - Fetisov
All star - Fetisov
All star - Kasatonov

1986
Best D - Fetisov
All star - Fetisov
All star - Kasatonov

1987
All star - Fetisov

1989
Best D - Fetisov
All star - Fetisov

Summary

Best D
Fetisov - 5
Vasiliev - 3
Kasatonov - 1

All star
Fetisov - 7
Vasiliev - 5
Kasatonov - 4
Gusev - 1

WC best d-men/all stars from SU(Russia) before 1968

1956
Best D - Sologubov
All stars - N/A

1957
Best D - Sologubov
All stars - N/A

1958
Best D - Tregubov
All stars - N/A

1960
Best D - Sologubov
All stars - N/A

1961
Best D - Tregubov

1963
All stars - Ragulin

1964
All stars - Ragulin

1965
All stars - Ragulin

1966
Best D - Ragulin
All stars - Ragulin

1967
Best D - Davydov
All stars - Ragulin

Summary for WC for all time

Best D
Fetisov - 5
Vasiliev - 3
Sologubov - 3
Tregubov - 2
Kasatonov - 1
Ragulin - 1
Davydov - 1

All star
Fetisov - 7
Vasiliev - 5
Ragulin - 5
Kasatonov - 4
Gusev - 1

 

[Namba 17]

I added all info from my posts of the topic into the first post.
Now it a very good source for information about USSR D-men.
I'd ask moderators to stick it in the Historical resourses and Source Materials thread.

 

[VanIslander]

Ragulin took on Esposito in the 1972 Summit Series, and i stood for hours and hours over two and a half days back pre-Internet in 1996 in the Hockey Hall of Fame in T.O. (i spent a year there doing research at the stacked UofT library), to watch every minute of the Summit Series, there played then endlessly on loop... and someone described Ragulin vs. Esposito as "bear on bear" ... *chef's kiss*

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