BB79
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They should hire Don Granato
Just because you think he should have gotten more doesn’t mean there were other, better offers out there not to mention both Hertl and EK had those pesky NMC in their deals. The Karlsson trade looks to be a coup considering the pick they’re getting back is top 15 and Granlund ended up being our best player this year by a mile. EK meanwhile resorted back to being a good not great d-man with 5 more years left.The Hertl trade was baaad. And my personal opinion: he should've gotten more out of the EK65 trade. If you are trading these big name players with questionable long contracts, there are two ways to go about it:
- you either trade them for peanuts, just to get out of the contract OR
- you retain properly, 50%, and get a big package
And Grier did neither with EK65 and Hertl. Just these lousy 15ish% retains to use up your retention slots for a long time, while not really getting that much assets back in terms of picks and prospects. Awful job.
I haven't paid attention to all of his deals, so if he has been good with minor trades good for him. But these two are one of the bigger ones in the whole league during the past calendar year, and he has done awfully on both of them.
Once again this is revisionist historyAt 50% retained? Bullshit, absolutely would've fetched a good return for both.
It sounds like the hands may have been tied by ownership when it came to retentions, if the EK rumors out of Carolina were true.At 50% retained? Bullshit, absolutely would've fetched a good return for both.
As in former Bruin David Warsofsky?Probably Warsofsky's turn.
Asking your owner to be patient with a long rebuild where fans won't be invested while also asking him to spend 60 million on players to play for other teams is a mighty ask.At 50% retained? Bullshit, absolutely would've fetched a good return for both.
Lmao.... is your response to me saying "we cant assume why he was fired" really "oh yeah? then why do YOU assume he was fired"?Why was he fired?
It sounds like the hands may have been tied by ownership when it came to retentions, if the EK rumors out of Carolina were true.
I 100% understand that's a lot to ask for from the owners. But if they are not up to it, then don't do the trade. Figure out other ways to get better.Asking your owner to be patient with a long rebuild where fans won't be invested while also asking him to spend 60 million on players to play for other teams is a mighty ask.
Those trades WERE to get better, by bottom out and drafting at the top of the orderI 100% understand that's a lot to ask for from the owners. But if they are not up to it, then don't do the trade. Figure out other ways to get better.
While I understand the thought process, I highly doubt either was traded because of their immediate effect on the standings.Those trades WERE to get better, by bottom out and drafting at the top of the order
It was imperative they got rid of Karlsson before the season, he singlehandedly played the Sharks out of last place last year, they couldn't bring him back and Pittsburgh was the only team willing to pay a real price
Hertl was a similar situation, he was too good for the team to ensure a last place finish, they got him out the door and proceeded to win 4 games for the rest of the year
These trades accomplished exactly what they set out to do, to add capspace and remove wins
That and what happens if Karlsson had reverted back to his previous two seasons?Those trades WERE to get better, by bottom out and drafting at the top of the order
It was imperative they got rid of Karlsson before the season, he singlehandedly played the Sharks out of last place last year, they couldn't bring him back and Pittsburgh was the only team willing to pay a real price
Hertl was a similar situation, he was too good for the team to ensure a last place finish, they got him out the door and proceeded to win 4 games for the rest of the year
These trades accomplished exactly what they set out to do, to add capspace and remove wins
This may seem harsh, but the main reason for firing a coach of a poor team isn't primarily to improve the performance of the team, it is:Sharks firing Quinn seems rather useless to me. They're not going to be a good team for a while, even if they win the Celebrini lottery. That's not really on the coach but on a gutted out and rotting roster.
Not just that, but also to get off the long term cap commitmentWhile I understand the thought process, I highly doubt either was traded because of their immediate effect on the standings.
I don't think Grier or Sharks management are making this move thinking they are going to shoot up the standings.Sharks firing Quinn seems rather useless to me. They're not going to be a good team for a while, even if they win the Celebrini lottery. That's not really on the coach but on a gutted out and rotting roster.
I agree, however if you look at Hertl, the team was the worst in hockey with him in the lineup and at the time of the trade it certainly didn't look like he was gonna come back this year. Trading him had nothing to do with the on-ice results this season IMO and everything to do with taking advantage of an opportunity to move him from the books. I doubt Grier was worried about how the team would be with him in the lineup the last 20 or so games.Not just that, but also to get off the long term cap commitment
Those were the team's 2 goals this year, to be as bad as possible and tank for a high draft pick and to remove long term cap commitments for aging players to maximize financial flexibility going forward
Trading Karlsson and Hertl both contributed to both of these goals, and they achieved both of these goals
That's my thinking. One of them wants to be more proactive in improving the team and the other wants to remain patient while continuing to amass picks and lotto tickets in the way of busted prospects looking for another opportunity (Zadina, Addison etc). I guess we'll see in the offseason who was who.I don't think Grier or Sharks management are making this move thinking they are going to shoot up the standings.
More they are looking at adding someone that can developed their prospects the best.
Or could just be Quinn and Grier aren't on the same page.
Even after the Hertl trade they were nearly deadlocked with Chicago fighting it out for 32nd place, they didn't clinch dead last until game 80I agree, however if you look at Hertl, the team was the worst in hockey with him in the lineup and at the time of the trade it certainly didn't look like he was gonna come back this year. Trading him had nothing to do with the on-ice results this season IMO and everything to do with taking advantage of an opportunity to move him from the books. I doubt Grier was worried about how the team would be with him in the lineup the last 20 or so games.