Pre-Game Talk: Senators @ WHC

[Tundraman]

McDavid is having quite an influence on the game for the USA

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Peters is biggest reason Canada is losing. Horrible deployment of players.

 

[Tundraman]

Peters is biggest reason Canada is losing. Horrible deployment of players.

Agreed! Surely they could have found a better coach to take the job! But then this tournament is more of an afterthought for Canada some countries take it very seriously

 

[slamigo]

Yawn.

Sens are nowhere and we can’t even enjoy watching a few of the players at the WHC. Sigh. I haven’t had such low expectations for hockey in a while.

 

[thinkwild]

Swedtzerland vs Swiden, i still forget which one is the Swiss sometimes.

 

[starling]

Lol shootouts in the final...
Burn it down.

 

[Back in Black]

Another Tournament in the books......

 

[Six Assets]

such BS to end on a shootout

 

[DDRhockey]

Wikstrand got gold!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Chabot (2015 draft) only saw action in 6 /10 games . Used sparingly 7:39 yesterday.

usage by comparison

McAvoy (2016 Draft) played 27:24... Huge role for the team since arriving.
Hughes (2018 Draft) played 11:39 and saw a good amount of PP time through out. Hughes a great showcase opportunity and he took advantage.
Colin White (basically an AHL level /Callup player to date for the Sens) given a pretty prominent role .. no PP time , a little PK time.

 

[topshelf15]

Chabot (2015 draft) only saw action in 6 /10 games . Used sparingly 7:39 yesterday.

usage by comparison

McAvoy (2016 Draft) played 27:24... Huge role for the team since arriving.
Hughes (2018 Draft) played 11:39 and saw a good amount of PP time through out. Hughes a great showcase opportunity and he took advantage.
Colin White (basically an AHL level /Callup player to date for the Sens) given a pretty prominent role .. no PP time , a little PK time.

Which is why i posed the question earlier.Is why the hell our guys go over there,other than the free trip??They always seem to get second billing,or the first bumped whenever another player is added to the roster

 

[Micklebot]

Which is why i posed the question earlier.Is why the hell our guys go over there,other than the free trip??They always seem to get second billing,or the first bumped whenever another player is added to the roster

White got to play with Kane. No complaints there. This is a TC issue not a sens issue

 

[Karl Prime]

Chabot should have played more. It reminds me of the '16 World Juniors when Chabot was the only D-man playing well and they didn't play him enough and go figure, they didn't medal.

 

[topshelf15]

White got to play with Kane. No complaints there. This is a TC issue not a sens issue

You are right about TC ,sorry if I painted every country with the same brush there

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

White got to play with Kane. No complaints there. This is a TC issue not a sens issue

Over on the International Tournaments board , US Roster thread someone claims Kane requested playing with White over Bonino .. maybe he was thinking balance , maybe he liked playing with him . Milano hardly played though.. and Tage Thompson saw less ice as it went along. Good for White anyway to get a pretty decent role and some regular icetime.

 

[Viletho]

Over on the International Tournaments board , US Roster thread someone claims Kane requested playing with White over Bonino .. maybe he was thinking balance , maybe he liked playing with him . Milano hardly played though.. and Tage Thompson saw less ice as it went along. Good for White anyway to get a pretty decent role and some regular icetime.

Duchene also said that he liked playing with White.
Maybe skilled player like the way he complemented them.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

White is the guy everyone loves because he's a blue collar worker and a chameleon. He'll do the dirty work for the skill guys, and will modify his game to blend in with whoever he is playing with (allowing the skill guys to play their game 100%). Skill guys love that because it frees them up to be more creative and keep their nose clean.

As for TC...if I was Dorion, I would be very wary of letting another high profile kid play for them at the Worlds unless I got a guarantee they'll get decent icetime. That team was coached horribly. They desperately needed Chabots skillset out there, but barely used him. Hell, they misused McDavid, ffs! How the hell does a coach with pro experience misuse one of the top 10 players on the planet?

 

[slamigo]

Skill guys like playing with White because he’s smart. He reads the play well and can see what they see even if his skill isn’t as high as theirs. He’s going to be good.

 

[Micklebot]

White is the guy everyone loves because he's a blue collar worker and a chameleon. He'll do the dirty work for the skill guys, and will modify his game to blend in with whoever he is playing with (allowing the skill guys to play their game 100%). Skill guys love that because it frees them up to be more creative and keep their nose clean.

As for TC...if I was Dorion, I would be very wary of letting another high profile kid play for them at the Worlds unless I got a guarantee they'll get decent icetime. That team was coached horribly. They desperately needed Chabots skillset out there, but barely used him. Hell, they misused McDavid, ffs! How the hell does a coach with pro experience misuse one of the top 10 players on the planet?

I'm sure the players would love being told that we're blocking them from joining their national team because our feelings were hurt last time when they didn't play our guy enough.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

As for TC...if I was Dorion, I would be very wary of letting another high profile kid play for them at the Worlds unless I got a guarantee they'll get decent icetime. That team was coached horribly. They desperately needed Chabots skillset out there, but barely used him. Hell, they misused McDavid, ffs! How the hell does a coach with pro experience misuse one of the top 10 players on the planet?

NHL GMs don't have any say one who gets selected to play for TC at the WHC.

It's 100% between Hockey Canada and the players. Each player decides for themselves, and depending on their health and contract situations, decide to go or not to go. They don't need their GMs permission either way.



Trying to hang the lack of playing time for Chabot, on Dorion, is probably to longest stretch I've seen here, in a while, to make Dorion look bad.

 

[Micklebot]

NHL GMs don't have any say one who gets selected to play for TC at the WHC.

It's 100% between Hockey Canada and the players. Each player decides for themselves, and depending on their health and contract situations, decide to go or not to go. They don't need their GMs permission either way.



Trying to hang the lack of playing time for Chabot, on Dorion, is probably to longest stretch I've seen here, in a while, to make Dorion look bad.

They are actually bound by the IIHF transfer agreement, so as long as the tournament in question is a participant in that agreement, teams have essentially already consented to releasing players.

Technically, if a club decided not to release a player despite the IIHF transfer agreement, my understanding is that player would not be eligible to play in the tournament, and the club failing to release the player would be subject a fine, and potentially some other sanctions. I doubt an NHL team would ever do that though, as the league itself would likely get pretty pissed off at them.

Having said all that, nobody is trying to hang the blame on Dorion for TC not playing our players enough. If there's a stretch being made here, it's by you trying to fit Nac Mac Feegle's comment into your everyone blames Dorion and Melnyk unfairly narrative. This is just a case of someone not understanding why we'd take the risk of releasing players for these tournaments going forward when they don't get the benefit of playing time, without realizing that the team is subject to a league wide transfer agreement.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

NHL GMs don't have any say one who gets selected to play for TC at the WHC.

It's 100% between Hockey Canada and the players. Each player decides for themselves, and depending on their health and contract situations, decide to go or not to go. They don't need their GMs permission either way.



Trying to hang the lack of playing time for Chabot, on Dorion, is probably to longest stretch I've seen here, in a while, to make Dorion look bad.

Your reading comprehension skills are horrible. I didn't blame Dorion at all.

GMs and teams certainly can't block a player from going. But, if I were GM, I'd tell the players that hey, guys like Ceci and Chabot were essentially shafted with playing time the last few years....do you really want to waste a few weeks of vacation/training time for that? Doesn't seem worth it, it me. Not with the shitty way TC has been coached at the Worlds lately.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Chabot (2015 draft) only saw action in 6 /10 games . Used sparingly 7:39 yesterday.

usage by comparison

McAvoy (2016 Draft) played 27:24... Huge role for the team since arriving.
Hughes (2018 Draft) played 11:39 and saw a good amount of PP time through out. Hughes a great showcase opportunity and he took advantage.
Colin White (basically an AHL level /Callup player to date for the Sens) given a pretty prominent role .. no PP time , a little PK time.

HC suffering from the same thing many current NHL coaches are suffering from, unable to realize it is a young mans skating league, loyalty and what you did in the past has no place in pro sports anymore, get these dinosaur archaic head coaches, their crappy ideas and ideologies, their little club of hiring the same clowns over and over again and the people who hire them out of here asap please!