GDT: Senators @ Devils, 7 PM, MSG+

[glenwo2]

I understand that. If the team somehow made it in the playoffs they probably would get swept in the first round... but points wise they could make it... and you know for a fact that the players would rather make the playoffs than not.

Yes but since this team makes no sense so they'll make it to the Stanley Cup Finals instead.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Some of your are in such denial lol..

 

[Triumph]

Yes he drives play and adds to the offense. Being a good offensive defenseman is ultimately supposed to help +/- too. Severson contributes a lot more offense than anyone else on D and yet his plus-minus is way behind anyone else's on D. I'm astounded that people don't see an issue with this. If Severson made a Merrill-type middling contribution offensively his bad +/- would be even worse.

It's just the puck not bouncing right, that's all. I'm sure it happened to Scott Niedermayer one year too. Not that I'm comparing Severson to Niedermayer, but these things happen in the course of a career.

Here's just a helpful test. Severson right now has a 5.4% on-ice shooting percentage. That ranks 121st out of 126th in the NHL among D with a minimum of 750 minutes. Noted terrible offensive D Torey Krug and Shayne Gostisbehere are below him.

How many D have lower than that over the last 2 years time and a minimum of 1500 minutes?

Zero. I was going to repeat the test until we got to zero, but we're already there at just 2 years out.

What's the lowest a D has over 5 years and a minimum of 4000 minutes?

5.95%.

And Tri citing 5-on-5 plus minus is selective stat use. I understand taking out empty net goals but you can't take out 5-on-4 goals against. That would be like taking out PP points when comparing Sevs to anyone else offensively. Sevs is supposed to help the PP, not be part of SH goals allowed.

I'm not sure why this needs me to explain it - I don't really care about PP points. I care about a functioning power play in general, but whoever gets points on it isn't that important. A player can get a lot of PP points and still be bad for a power play. Likewise I think a player can seldom get points and be good for it. You will almost never see me combining even strength and power play anything at the NHL level. So no, I don't care much about Severson's 5 on 4 +/- demerits.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

It's just the puck not bouncing right, that's all. I'm sure it happened to Scott Niedermayer one year too. Not that I'm comparing Severson to Niedermayer, but these things happen in the course of a career.

Here's just a helpful test. Severson right now has a 5.4% on-ice shooting percentage. That ranks 121st out of 126th in the NHL among D with a minimum of 750 minutes. Noted terrible offensive D Torey Krug and Shayne Gostisbehere are below him.

How many D have lower than that over the last 2 years time and a minimum of 1500 minutes?

Zero. I was going to repeat the test until we got to zero, but we're already there at just 2 years out.

What's the lowest a D has over 5 years and a minimum of 4000 minutes?

5.95%.



I'm not sure why this needs me to explain it - I don't really care about PP points. I care about a functioning power play in general, but whoever gets points on it isn't that important. A player can get a lot of PP points and still be bad for a power play. Likewise I think a player can seldom get points and be good for it. You will almost never see me combining even strength and power play anything at the NHL level. So no, I don't care much about Severson's 5 on 4 +/- demerits.

It's just the puck not bouncing right lol

 

[glenwo2]

Some of your are in such denial lol..

Pretty much.


(btw, your avy of Kurt disturbs me. It's like he's staring into my soul from the dead or something. creepy. lol )

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Pretty much.


(btw, your avy of Kurt disturbs me. It's like he's staring into my soul from the dead or something. creepy. lol )

That's why I picked it lol.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

Yes he drives play and adds to the offense. Being a good offensive defenseman is ultimately supposed to help +/- too. Severson contributes a lot more offense than anyone else on D and yet his plus-minus is way behind anyone else's on D. I'm astounded that people don't see an issue with this. If Severson made a Merrill-type middling contribution offensively his bad +/- would be even worse.

What else can Severson do to create offense at even strength outside of helping the team generate puck possession and shots? As Triumph said, most of the actual converting on offense is done by the forwards. Being a good offensive defenseman at even strength mainly means being good in transition and putting your team in a situation to score. Severson has been doing that.

Last year New Jersey's on-ice shooting percentage with Severson was 8.1%. Now it is 5.4%. No single player, let alone a defenseman, could cause that kind of shift casaully.

Meanwhile the Devils are shooting at 8.3% with Kyle Quincey on the ice. Do you think Quincey is actually doing something to justify that?

 

[Bleedred]

We need to play Severson more, for a multitude of reasons.

Even if you believe he's not good defensively (I don't agree that's not), with how bad we are at scoring goals and generating scoring chances, he would be of great help with that. More than any other defenseman on the team.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

We need to play Severson more, for a multitude of reasons.

Even if you believe he's not good defensively (I don't agree that's not), with how bad we are at scoring goals and generating scoring chances, he would be of great help with that. More than any other defenseman on the team.

The seasons over anyway I'd rather I play him, Santini and Merrill as much as possible. I don't want Severson matched up against the other team's best forwards next year though.

 

[Bleedred]

The seasons over anyway I'd rather I play him, Santini and Merrill as much as possible. I don't want Severson matched up against the other team's best forwards next year though.

What if we acquired a pretty good defenseman to pair him with as the top pair?

 

[glenwo2]

What if we acquired a pretty good defenseman to pair him with as the top pair?

Name me a defenseman we can acquire.

 

[Bleedred]

Name me a defenseman we can acquire.

Shattenkirk haha.

Maybe Shero can pull off another heist like last Summer and trade some scraps or some 2nd round picks, some meh player, move back in the draft, etc, for a decent defensemen.

 

[FooteBahl]

Shattenkirk haha.

Maybe Shero can pull off another heist like last Summer and trade some scraps or some 2nd round picks, some meh player, move back in the draft, etc, for a decent defensemen.

With the way last years draft picks are looking so far, I don't want to trade a single pick and see what steals Castron can pull off.

 

[Bleedred]

With the way last years draft picks are looking so far, I don't want to trade a single pick and see what steals Castron can pull off.

So you wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for a player like we did with Palmieri or an equivalent on defense?

Chances are, the player we trade for will be better than the 2nd round pick we could have drafted. And if they're not, Shero probably wouldn't be trading for them.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Shattenkirk haha.

Maybe Shero can pull off another heist like last Summer and trade some scraps or some 2nd round picks, some meh player, move back in the draft, etc, for a decent defensemen.

We can still try to pry Fowler out of Anaheim, but it will be expensive.

 

[glenwo2]

^ VERY expensive. sheesh. The Ducks would basically ask for the moon from us.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Fowler's price has gone up bigly since he was "available" last summer.

 

[devilsblood]

Shattenkirk haha.

Maybe Shero can pull off another heist like last Summer and trade some scraps or some 2nd round picks, some meh player, move back in the draft, etc, for a decent defensemen.

The Hall heist was different because Edm coveted a specific player. No teams are coveting a 2nd rnd pick.

I think the trade would should look at is Palm's, finding that talented player who is not getting an oppurtunity.

And I would def be open to trading a pick for a good young player. For the right guy I'd be willing to move our first.

 

[glenwo2]

I do not want to give up Palms unless we're getting a better player than him in return.