Schnieder signs offer sheet to play in Dallas

[VinVisser]

The Dallas start have sent an offer sheet to goaltender Cory Schneider. It's reportedly worth close to 4 million dollars over 4 years.

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[HFNHLOilers]

The Dallas Organization will not make any comments confirming or denying the rumour of the offer term or cash untill any said deal is in place and completed

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

all i can say is may the flea's of a thousand camels infest your anus.

you didnt even try and trade for him before making a stupid contract offer.

what are you going to do with a 4million dollar back up?

 

[kasper11]

Interesting...if true Dallas would have $11M+ tied up in goalies.

 

[HFNHL blogger]

Rob sounds like Burke. I wonder if Burke said that to Lowe regarding penner?

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

whatever ... makes no sense to make an offer like that for a back up goalie.

 

[Dryden]

You tell em Robb

 

[jeffl97]

delete.

 

[Wildman]

whatever ... makes no sense to make an offer like that for a back up goalie.

I guess getting a 1st rd pick for a back up goalie is well worth it.

 

[Dryden]

isn't he already signed for next season?

Look at the board you're on. Sim league

 

[jeffl97]

Look at the board you're on. Sim league

Lol my mistake

 

[Vagrant]

I support the right of anybody to make a legitimate RFA offer. I know these situations can get a bit tense, but Cory Schnieder is not going to be a back up goaltender in this league for very long nor in the NHL. As half of the Jennings trophy, he's due to get a starting job somewhere soon. I think the disappointment comes in the realization that a valuable asset may be lost. In that case, match it!

 

[Dryden]

I guess getting a 1st rd pick for a back up goalie is well worth it.

And a third

 

[Dryden]

I support the right of anybody to make a legitimate RFA offer. I know these situations can get a bit tense, but Cory Schnieder is not going to be a back up goaltender in this league for very long nor in the NHL. As half of the Jennings trophy, he's due to get a starting job somewhere soon. I think the disappointment comes in the realization that a valuable asset may be lost. In that case, match it!

When you look at it that way it could be a wise investment in a few years

 

[HFNHLOilers]

Ya i dont get the fuss its not like the offer was north of 4mill or even close to a legitmate starter and if i were to say offer 2mill everyone would think im lowballing because a gm would match that no problem im not making his price insane yes its much for a back up but he will have a starting job sooner than later and kipper has a much worse team in the NHL than he has before his age will catch up to him much like it has Martin Brodeur with the a worse team infront of him

Edit: not to mention giving im deciding to go rebuild mode and possibly trade kipper he if the offer isnt matched could be my starter

 

[kasper11]

When you look at it that way it could be a wise investment in a few years

Disagree.....
He is going to backup in Vancouver this year as well, meaning that he will not be a starter in our league for at least two years.

When you factor in that we base our ratings on the past three years, it is questionable whether he will be rated as a starter even three years from now.

Meaning, that you are looking at paying a backup $4M for the next two, possibly three years, in order to get 1-2 years of a starter at a bargain price.

 

[HFNHLOilers]

Disagree.....
He is going to backup in Vancouver this year as well, meaning that he will not be a starter in our league for at least two years.

When you factor in that we base our ratings on the past three years, it is questionable whether he will be rated as a starter even three years from now.

Meaning, that you are looking at paying a backup $4M for the next two, possibly three years, in order to get 1-2 years of a starter at a bargain price.

well thats the risk i take but hes 25 and got plenty of upside if the gm doesnt want to take the risk and take my picks thats his call. im willing to gamble given i have no legitmite young goalies in my pool and given kippers age 34 he maybe has till the end of his contract which isnt enough time to slowly develop one and i guaruntee schnieder would land more than a 1st and 3rd in the trade market despite being a back up

 

[Dempsey]

well thats the risk i take but hes 25 and got plenty of upside if the gm doesnt want to take the risk and take my picks thats his call. im willing to gamble given i have no legitmite young goalies in my pool and given kippers age 34 he maybe has till the end of his contract which isnt enough time to slowly develop one and i guaruntee schnieder would land more than a 1st and 3rd in the trade market despite being a back up

Maybe not for the next year or two now that you've made his salary 4 million per season

In all seriousness I definitely see the logic behind the move though, especially for a rebuilding team.

 

[Vagrant]

Just for the sake of comparison, I offer up the case of Jimmy Howard. 25 YO goaltender last year that had ONE season of starter minutes and rated out to an 85 OVR. in our current system of goaltender ratings. I disagree that it will take a few years for him to be worth the contract if he gets out from under Luongo after next season.

I am not saying that the risk is sound or that I would have done it, as I obviously didn't do it, but I can see why a desperate team would consider it an option. Considering I just spent $5 million on J-S Giguere in pre-agency, I suppose that makes me look like even more of an idiot.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

well in fairness to Zach, I dont think he was the only one to make an offer. as most you know, i have always had temper tantrums around RFA offers, i hate them.

i think some of you just do it for the sport of seeing me go off and some even special delight in that one of my prize Canucks got dinged in this.

its two crap options .... overpay a guy i really want to keep or take picks that w might not do anything for me until calender year 2016 or beyond and for sure not before 2013 at the absolute Jeff Skinner best.

whatever, im gonna chill and not let it get to me too much anymore.

grumble.

 

[Hossa]

well in fairness to Zach, I dont think he was the only one to make an offer. as most you know, i have always had temper tantrums around RFA offers, i hate them.

i think some of you just do it for the sport of seeing me go off and some even special delight in that one of my prize Canucks got dinged in this.

its two crap options .... overpay a guy i really want to keep or take picks that w might not do anything for me until calender year 2016 or beyond and for sure not before 2013 at the absolute Jeff Skinner best.

whatever, im gonna chill and not let it get to me too much anymore.

grumble.

While we're debating this in the public forum, might as well ask, why even let Schneider hit the market if it was going to bother you so much. Couldn't he just have been auto-signed for 1 year at 900k?

Generally speaking, for GMs in this league, offer sheets are more about the compensation than the salary I think. Who knows what happens with Schneider, but if he gets a #1 job, and thrives, Dallas may eventually have a legitimate and young #1 at 4M in a 65M+ cap world. If you're a rebuilding club with cap space, you can take that risk. What I'm not sure about is giving up the draft picks if you're a rebuilding team. Could be a bit of Kessel action here.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

While we're debating this in the public forum, might as well ask, why even let Schneider hit the market if it was going to bother you so much. Couldn't he just have been auto-signed for 1 year at 900k?

Generally speaking, for GMs in this league, offer sheets are more about the compensation than the salary I think. Who knows what happens with Schneider, but if he gets a #1 job, and thrives, Dallas may eventually have a legitimate and young #1 at 4M in a 65M+ cap world. If you're a rebuilding club with cap space, you can take that risk. What I'm not sure about is giving up the draft picks if you're a rebuilding team. Could be a bit of Kessel action here.

i should i have signed him, my overisight.

When I sent the QO's, I also sent an offer for a contract and either the agent didnt respond or I missed it and didnt follow up.

There are no Kessel trades in the HFNHL. Under the most ideal circumstances, the draft pick wont be in the HF until the earliest, 2013 - 2014 season. Seguin played for BOS roughly 12 months after the Kessel trade, this draft pick wont play for 36 - 70 months (or most likely never).

i can trade Bryzgalov for more then a 1st and 3rd after the allstar game, so forget it, not even worth considering letting him go.

 

[MatthewFlames]

i think some of you just do it for the sport of seeing me go off and some even special delight in that one of my prize Canucks got dinged in this.

This!!!!!

 

[The old geezer]

i can trade Bryzgalov for more then a 1st and 3rd after the allstar game, so forget it, not even worth considering letting him go.

So let me follow this. You previously asked why would a team sign this contract when Schneider won't be ready to be an HFNHL starter for 2 to 3 years at best. But then you decide you'll trade Brzgalov, who has a reasonable contract, for picks which means Schneider will be your starter now?

Then you'll have to use some or all of those picks (or other assets) to get another starter who possibly costs even more and is not as good.

Alternatively you trade Bryzgalov for a lesser/cheaper goalie plus something and you're still a weaker team for it. As Lundqvist, and ironically Kipprusoff a few years earlier, showed the goalie can take a team far in HFNHL.
In other words you take a pick that might not be ready for a couple of years but the current team stays strong or you set your team back a couple of years by trading Bryzgalov instead.

How exactly does this work out for you?

 

[Wildman]

i should i have signed him, my overisight.

When I sent the QO's, I also sent an offer for a contract and either the agent didnt respond or I missed it and didnt follow up.

There are no Kessel trades in the HFNHL. Under the most ideal circumstances, the draft pick wont be in the HF until the earliest, 2013 - 2014 season. Seguin played for BOS roughly 12 months after the Kessel trade, this draft pick wont play for 36 - 70 months (or most likely never).

i can trade Bryzgalov for more then a 1st and 3rd after the allstar game, so forget it, not even worth considering letting him go.

$990K per season for 3 years was too low for an agent to bother responding. It would be strange to see you matching $4M when you could have had him for much lower.